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Help to setup a small LINUX Server
by Richard Chang 03 Jun '05

03 Jun '05

Hi All, First of all Disclaimer: The person writing this mail doesn't know how to write short mails. So, a request to please cooperate with him and forgive his ignorance. Then the problem: I am having a piece of hardware called the Wipro Ezynet Server. This is primarily a Linux based solution for cybercafes. It does not have port for connecting a VDU. I has two Ethernet interfaces, supposed to be remotely controlled using a web browser and does not have ports to connect the keyboard and mouse. The problem I am facing now is that the hard disk has crashed. I have misplaced the cd's and manual of the system. I have replaced the hard disks and now want to use it as an Internet gateway to connect our office LAN to the net. I don't know what to do and how to go about it. Once I tried loading RHL9 on to it. I took out the mbd and connected a pci vga card and succeeded in loading RHL. It has a small socket for connecting a kbd using a connector similar to the ones for mouse we used to have in P-I system. It has some kind of a card used to display the booting info on an LCD screen. The moment I reconnected the card, it just went bust. The card seems to know only the OS it came packaged with and seems to be the loader ( like lilo or grub) for the OS. Anyone have a better idea, how to get it up and running without connecting a VDU, KBD and MOUSE. Pls let me know. If required I will give the complete specs and picture of the system and what is inside. Without the LCD/card, we will not be able to know whether it has booted up or not and with it, it only looks for the OS it cam with. regards, rc

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Fwd: Dreamweaver
by Rishi 03 Jun '05

03 Jun '05

Hello, Is there a free software alternative for dreamweaver? Regards Rishi ---------- Forwarded Message ---------- Subject: Dreamweaver Date: Monday 30 May 2005 1:03 pm From: "Sangeeta Gokhale" To: "Rishi" Cc: "Bharti Flora" Hi Rishi, Can you help us out with finding a cheap way of buying Dreamweaver? If we manage to hire someone, we will use Gimp (instead of Photoshop) but Dreamweaver I think we will require. Thanks, Sangeeta

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FreeBSD Remote installation
by Rohit Baisakhiya 03 Jun '05

03 Jun '05

FYI visit http://www.daemonology.net/depenguinator/ cool tool for freebsd remote installation. -- Regards, Rohit Baisakhiya

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I Need SuSe latest
by onkar mahajan 03 Jun '05

03 Jun '05

I need urgently SuSe linux latest version. Plz help me. Onkar [##########]

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RIP doc format? well almost
by sherlock＠vsnl.com 03 Jun '05

03 Jun '05

http://news.com.com/Microsoft+adding+XML+files+to+Office+12/2100-7344_3-572… "Microsoft said Thursday that it will introduce new XML-based file formats for its Excel, PowerPoint and Word applications when the company launches its Office 12 software package next year. Company officials said the move to replace Microsoft's traditional binary file formats with XML-based versions as the default in Office 12 will let people more easily share information. Microsoft pledged that the shift to XML, or Extensible Markup Language, will decrease the size of many individual files and make documents created in its Office products more resistant to corruption. " How touching of them to discover their hereditary diseases and go public. Or is it that OASIS compatibility is already squeezing the family jewels. Wonder what new debilating side effects their medicine will produce. rgds jtd

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recover from kernel panic.....
by nitin bhosale 03 Jun '05

03 Jun '05

i have mandrake linux installed but all of a sudden it is giving me a kernel panic msg as below ------------------------------------------------- during normal booting mode : Kernel panic:no init found. try passing init=option to kernel ------------------------------------------------- during failsafe mode i get other error as below: Kernel panic: :VFS:unable to mount rootfs on hda5. ------------------------------------------------- why it gives two different msg in different modes.how do i recover it.does this happen du to some data loss during power failure or some other reason. __________________________________ Discover Yahoo! Find restaurants, movies, travel and more fun for the weekend. Check it out! http://discover.yahoo.com/weekend.html

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Fwd: Google sponsors Nmap summer student developers
by Puneet Lakhina 02 Jun '05

02 Jun '05

---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Fyodor <fyodor(a)insecure.org> Date: Jun 2, 2005 3:26 PM Subject: Google sponsors Nmap summer student developers To: nmap-hackers(a)insecure.org Hello everyone, Yesterday, Google announced their first Summer of Code program. This innovative and generous program provides $4,500 stipends to each of 200 university students to create or enhance open source software during their summer break. I am pleased to announce that Nmap is one of 40 open source projects that Google selected for this program. We would be pleased to work with one or more students to extend the power of Nmap. You get paid, gain valuable experience and a great resume booster, while the Nmap project and users benefit from your valuable contributions. You have until June 14 to apply if you are interested, though your chances may be better if you apply sooner. If you do fill out the application, please also send me the project description and a brief bio describing how your experience fits the project. Also let me know what school you attend. I have written up some project ideas, though you are free to submit whatever cool idea your heart desires. Here are the relevant URLs: Nmap Project Ideas: http://www.insecure.org/nmap/GoogleGrants.html Google's Summer of Code Page: http://code.google.com/summerofcode.html Participant FAQ: http://code.google.com/summfaq.html Application Form: http://code.google.com/soc_application.html Good luck! -Fyodor _______________________________________________ Sent through the nmap-hackers mailing list http://cgi.insecure.org/mailman/listinfo/nmap-hackers

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Nokia 770
by sherlock＠vsnl.com 02 Jun '05

02 Jun '05

On Wednesday 01 June 2005 01:44, Puneet Lakhina wrote: > Hi guys, > i guess you all must have heard about Nokia 770 its a Linux based > Internet tablet that can use bluetooth Wi-FI to connect to the net > n has a host of other feature. And its dedicated for Internet i.e. > no phone. > I think it is targeting the wireless voip market, which could make GSM /CDMA cellular services as popular as horse-back transport. > > But one thing struck me about the nokia main site for the device( > www.nokia.com/770 <http://www.nokia.com/770>) it does not even > mention the term Linux or Open source. Dont know why that is?? Nokia having just emerged out of the dark cave, are testing the waters. The recent Nokia "patent gift" to the kernel is a case in point. As RMS said it seems to be one of the companies who try to give as little as possible in exchange for a cave full of FLOSS riches. The opening of it's patents itself was probably brought about by it's inability to distribute patent restricted code in the linux kernel, since this would place restrictions on a recipient and hence invalidate their licence to distribute the kernel. Thank RMS & saints for the gpl. rgds jtd

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Nokia 770
by Puneet Lakhina 02 Jun '05

02 Jun '05

On 6/2/05, R. K. Rajeev <rajeevrk(a)myrealbox.com> wrote: > > Puneet Lakhina wrote: > > >Hi guys, > >i guess you all must have heard about Nokia 770 its a Linux based > Internet > >tablet that can use bluetooth Wi-FI to connect to the net n has a host of > >other feature. And its dedicated for Internet i.e. no phone. For > developers > >interested in it, it uses a development platform called > >maemo(www.maemo.org <http://www.maemo.org><http://www.maemo.org>). > >That is basically GTK+ only but with some modifications to make it > optimum > >for the mobile device. SO most of your GTK+ code should work wtht > >significant changes. CHeck out the maemo site it has a cool developer > >tutorial. > >But one thing struck me about the nokia main site for the device( > >www.nokia.com/770 <http://www.nokia.com/770> <http://www.nokia.com/770>) > it does not even mention the > >term Linux or Open source. Dont know why that is?? > > > > > Dear Puneet, > The linux mention is on the detailed features page... > http://www.nokia.com/nokia/0,,75023,00.html > Quote : > "The Nokia 770 Internet Tablet's software is upgradeable and currently > runs on the Linux-based Internet Tablet 2005 software edition. There is > a planned launch next year of an operating system upgrade – the Internet > Tablet 2006 software addition – that will support additional services, > including Internet telephony (VoIP) and Instant Messaging." > > Just my 2 bits. Hey ur right, i dont know i must have missed it, but i kinda did scrutinise it, and that mention that u say looks like something added seprately so i guess they added it in the last two three days... I dont know.. Anyways thanks for correcting me.. Regard's > Rajeev > > >Regards, > >Puneet > > > > > > >

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Nokia 770
by Puneet Lakhina 02 Jun '05

02 Jun '05

Hi guys, i guess you all must have heard about Nokia 770 its a Linux based Internet tablet that can use bluetooth Wi-FI to connect to the net n has a host of other feature. And its dedicated for Internet i.e. no phone. For developers interested in it, it uses a development platform called maemo(www.maemo.org<http://www.maemo.org>). That is basically GTK+ only but with some modifications to make it optimum for the mobile device. SO most of your GTK+ code should work wtht significant changes. CHeck out the maemo site it has a cool developer tutorial. But one thing struck me about the nokia main site for the device( www.nokia.com/770 <http://www.nokia.com/770>) it does not even mention the term Linux or Open source. Dont know why that is?? Regards, Puneet

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Compile single module...
by Shreyas Phadnis 02 Jun '05

02 Jun '05

Dear all, I made some modifications in the /usr/src/linux/drivers/ide/pci/sis5513.c file. It is the driver for my ide-controller. Now I would like to compile this file and load it as a module. "make sis5513" gives me erros. Please advise. Thank You, Shreyas Phadnis

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Help to setup a small LINUX Server
by sherlock＠vsnl.com 01 Jun '05

01 Jun '05

On Wednesday 01 June 2005 11:03, Richard Chang wrote: > Hi All, > I am having a piece of hardware called the Wipro Ezynet Server. Why not get the manual and cd from wipro? > I don't know what to do and how to go about it. Once I tried > loading RHL9 on to it. I took out the mbd and connected a pci vga > card and succeeded in loading RHL. That is the end of your problems no? Once u have RH9 running you can do whatever u want. > It has a small socket for > connecting a kbd using a connector similar to the ones for mouse we > used to have in P-I system. It has some kind of a card used to > display the booting info on an LCD screen. The moment I reconnected > the card, it just went bust. The card seems to know only the OS it > came packaged with and seems to be the loader ( like lilo or grub) > for the OS. Why do u need the LCD anyway. > > > > Anyone have a better idea, how to get it up and running without > connecting a VDU, KBD and MOUSE. U dont need kbd, mouse and vdu anyway. In fact that is how most hosts run. Just switch on and it will boot to it's default run level. If u need any additional services just add them to the default run level. rgds jtd

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samba and permission
by Komal 31 May '05

31 May '05

I'm using Fedora Core 1. I would like to mount a windows shared folder at fstab and allowing normal user to have read-write permissions. I have tried //192.168.0.1/linux /mnt/my_network_share/linux smbfs username=myusername,password=mypassword, default 0 0 //192.168.0.1/linux /mnt/my_network_share/linux smbfs username=myusername,password=mypassword,rw,uid=root,gid=root 0 0 Both of them will mount the drive, but normal users won't be able to write? How to i make it with write permission? What am i missing? Komal

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] SIS651 chipset story
by sherlock＠vsnl.com 31 May '05

31 May '05

On Monday 30 May 2005 22:10, Rony Bill wrote: > sherlock(a)vsnl.com wrote: > > Firstly it seems to be linux compatible. > > http://www.linux-tested.com/results/asus_ab-t2301.html > > Our supplier recently advised us not to go for Asus mobos due to > bad (dealer) support problems, even though Asus is known for being > very good in mobos. Till now Mercury boards were being sold by us Is it via P4M266. what is the problem? I have two boards with power on problems. The battery (the regular suspect) was not the problem. will be sending both back. > as they reported minimum problems even in comparison with Intel > original boards. But lately their on board LAN keeps giving trouble Never had a problem with the lan check your RJ45 male. rgds jtd

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Linux Device Drivers, by Jonathan Corbet
by Raseel Bhagat 31 May '05

31 May '05

On Tue, 31 May 2005 sherlock(a)vsnl.com wrote : >Available online >http://lwn.net/Kernel/LDD3/ > > >-- >http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/mailman/listinfo/linuxers Maaan !!! I was just about keeping pace with LDD, 2nd Edition. I still have so much to cover and understand in 2.4 itself... so many things to explore... !!! Oh well !! So little time, SO much to do ;-) Raseel. Thanks Raseel Bhagat

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Linux Device Drivers, by Jonathan Corbet
by sherlock＠vsnl.com 31 May '05

31 May '05

Available online http://lwn.net/Kernel/LDD3/

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DRM in I945 chipset
by sherlock＠vsnl.com 31 May '05

31 May '05

Time to vote with your wallet i suppose. AMD / VIA C3 it is for personal use until the air clears up. http://www.digitmag.co.uk/news/index.cfm?NewsID=4915 Using a mobo with the above will probably leave you exposed in a zillion ways. Even turning off the power is of no help. But for a private corporate network it has the potential to make the admins life interesting (maybe easy?). rgds jtd

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Fw: [Full-disclosure] Re: qmail security guarantee questioned
by Devdas Bhagat 31 May '05

31 May '05

This is currently only qmail on AMD64 with > 4GB of virtual memory, but people should upgrade anyway. Devdas Bhagat ----- Forwarded message from Georgi Guninski <guninski(a)guninski.com> ----- From: "Georgi Guninski" <guninski(a)guninski.com> Date: Tue, 31 May 2005 07:00:22 -0400 To: <rgiambalvo(a)admin.giami.net> Cc: full-disclosure(a)lists.grok.org.uk, qmail(a)list.cr.yp.to Subject: [Full-disclosure] Re: qmail security guarantee questioned X-Mailer: Microsoft CDO for Exchange 2000 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6i On Thu, May 26, 2005 at 12:35:48PM +0100, Justin Murdock wrote: > you have yet to demonstrate that this bug will allow the system to be > compromised - you'll be able to save a file in /var/qmail/queue, then > exec it, or a system binary - but you'll still be stuck with very poor > privileges. the program at: http://www.guninski.com/where_do_you_want_billg_to_go_today_4.html#qpopup executes code with root privileges via qmail-popup for me. the same commands zero writing bug. notes for the qmail fanatics: - this is not a dos, this is remote code execution with root privileges - with local access the offsets are easily found, so exploitation is very reliable in this case - djb gives installation instructions in INSTALL which allow root compromise - the payload consists of "int3" which produces trace trap for the microsoft certified solitaire experts (MCSEs) who can't get it -- where do you want bill gates to go today? _______________________________________________ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ ----- End forwarded message -----

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] SIS/ASUS Update
by sherlock＠vsnl.com 31 May '05

31 May '05

On Monday 30 May 2005 18:46, Sachin wrote: > hi > > UPDATE* Now recently the display freezes, i mean the > monitor turns off. Disable power saving in the bios and kernel. Or u may have forgot to set the "any key" in bios. rgds jtd

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Way to go for Linux !!
by sherlock＠vsnl.com 31 May '05

31 May '05

On Monday 30 May 2005 20:23, Erle Pereira wrote: > Richard Chang wrote: Ya Richard you got it finally (i hope) way to go. But the author apparently prefers to wear Horse blinkers. > > Here it is why > > > > http://www.linux-mag.com/content/view/1974/2303/ > > the author of that article has got a rather one-sided view And from the wrong end too. He's never heard about PDF. PDF is one of the standards in which to exchange documents. You do it by clicking an icon in openoffice. Do search for that feature in M$office. Will solve all problems of document exchange. Also the size of an Oo .sxw or sxc file is almost 1/3 of an M$ file. So why don't the bums in M$ spend some time to make their format similar to Oo. Besides it would become standards compliant. http://www.linuxworld.com/read/88713.htm > > my reply in short ... ever tried to hit a moving target? Trying to > make open-office write properly to a closed source format is > definetly not very high on the list of things to do (and _should_ > not be) while on the subject perhaps Richard will care to point out a source for M$ doc file format and M$office APIs. To get an idea of what we are blabbing about visit the url. http://api.openoffice.org/servlets/ProjectDocumentList I do agree it's a different path from Richard's avowed noble goal of using without knowing how to. But nonetheless. He might also want to read (and inform the author too) http://www.openoffice.org/FAQs/faq-overview.html It will acquaint both with the goals and objectives of the Oo team. > { ...please lets not turn this thread into another philosophy > debate.. i only replied b/c i felt a few imp. details were left out > in the article. End this thread _here_ small correction Erle the most important points were left out in that article. This author has been publishing fud according to the folks on Groklaw. He had in the past published more balanced articles but seems to be going to the darkside. Perhaps a simple matter of Caviar and Champagne v/s freedom (yawn). Or maybe using without knowing as some love to say. rgds jtd

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Way to go for Linux !!
by M.R.Anand 30 May '05

30 May '05

Well Interoperability is a problem, but its not cos of Linux or openoffice in particular. Can openoffice help it if M$ hasn't released the specs of the .doc format (atleast i couldnt find it even after extensive search on google, if any has then please let me know), besides openoffice atleast publishes the format it uses unlike M$ who like to "lock in" their customers. Interoperability will always be an issue as long as people are seeing to it that it is.Atleast with linux, its "open" about all formats and implementations. Even if others r not keen to reveal their implementation atleast the format should be revealed. What if the company were no longer in business, what happens to all the stuff thats "locked" now. This topic was touched my Dr. Nagarjuna also at the GLUG meet before this one (the one in which we had the HURD demo) The same argument applies to almost all (probably all) M$ products. So as long as you choose a closes solution u cannot complain about interoperability (according to me). Anand

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] SIS651 chipset story
by sherlock＠vsnl.com 30 May '05

30 May '05

On Sunday 29 May 2005 21:34, Sachin wrote: > http://mayuripalharya.tripod.com/questionairre.html > > Hi All > Read a thread on ASUS/SIS and here is my story. Firstly it seems to be linux compatible. http://www.linux-tested.com/results/asus_ab-t2301.html > A year and 2 months before i bought a compaq s5030il > which has sis651 chipset 128 ram and p42.6ghz pre > loaded with turbo linux.In the first week it started > with sudden hangup. What kernel. Kernels below 2.4.19 could be a source of problems under very specific combination of conditions (but unlikely). After how much time does it stop. Run the board with some heavy load like kernel compile. If it hangs earlier u have a thermal problem. Use in a chilled room. Try a faster ram. or a slower cpu. Memtest should also help in identifying problems. also check for a bios update. Although linux does not use the bios it is possible that some device like the supervisory sensors could be causing a problem. also try disabling the onboard graphics and using a graphics card. If nothing else works write to the vendor pointing out that it does not work under windows and linux from the beginning and ask for a refund or better still credit for a new mobo. rgds jtd

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SIS651 chipset story
by Sachin 30 May '05

30 May '05

http://mayuripalharya.tripod.com/questionairre.html Hi All Read a thread on ASUS/SIS and here is my story. A year and 2 months before i bought a compaq s5030il which has sis651 chipset 128 ram and p42.6ghz pre loaded with turbo linux.In the first week it started with sudden hangup. Believe me Redington replaced the motherboard three times and the fourth time i took it to there office and i don't know what they did but it started working fine for a month and again now the same problem but i am left with no warranty on the system. The vendor even said it was because linux. There is no error at syslog, kernel log. Windows xp gives system error(102) and when error submitted states a Hardware failure. A reboot and the system may be fine for hours or sometimes in 20 to 30 minutes it will hang again. Can somebody help me with what could be the possibilty. Device manager shows everything fine. Is there any software like pc-doctor which can diagnose this problem which is a freeware in linux.Or can somebody guide me on this. I don't want to call redington guys because the maximum they would do is again replace the motherboard which they have done before. Can anybody assume what could be going wrong here or a way where the OS can exactly state which is the failing hardware. -- Sachin __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

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SIS/ASUS Update
by Sachin 30 May '05

30 May '05

hi UPDATE* Now recently the display freezes, i mean the monitor turns off. >What kernel. Kernels below 2.4.19 could be a source >of problems under very specific combination of >conditions (but unlikely). Kernel 2.6.11.6 >After how much time does it stop. Nothing specific may be half hour, some at startup and sometimes 3 to 4 hours. >Run the board with some heavy load like kernel compile.If it hangs earlier u have a thermal problem. Under normal temperature did 4 kernel compile and it had one hang. >Try a faster ram. or a slower cpu. Would try that >Memtest should also help in identifying problems. also check for a bios update. Although linux does not use the bios it is possible that some device like the supervisory sensors could be causing a problem. Would do that. And thanks for the advice. Sachin __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

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Re: SIS651 chipset story
by Vickram Crishna 30 May '05

30 May '05

At 1:45 PM +0530 5/30/05, sherlock wrote: >On Sunday 29 May 2005 21:34, Sachin wrote: >> http://mayuripalharya.tripod.com/questionairre.html >> >> Hi All >> Read a thread on ASUS/SIS and here is my story. > >Firstly it seems to be linux compatible. >http://www.linux-tested.com/results/asus_ab-t2301.html > >> A year and 2 months before i bought a compaq s5030il >> which has sis651 chipset 128 ram and p42.6ghz pre >> loaded with turbo linux.In the first week it started >> with sudden hangup. > >What kernel. Kernels below 2.4.19 could be a source of problems under >very specific combination of conditions (but unlikely). >After how much time does it stop. >Run the board with some heavy load like kernel compile. >If it hangs earlier u have a thermal problem. Use in a chilled room. I've been having a similar peculiar problem, but the need for frequent rebooting has pointed me to the possible reason for failure: one hard disk (which just happens to be my system disk, with both Win98 and RH) keeps going off. On opening the box I find this disk is quite hot. My guess is it's heading towards failure. I plan to mirror it onto another disk at some point and save my data. It is definitely not an OS problem. -- Vickram

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] MySQL Migration Toolkit 1.0.7 beta Released
by Devdas Bhagat 30 May '05

30 May '05

On 29/05/05 17:58 +0530, Amol Hatwâr wrote: > > Oracle to mysql seems good. MySQL seems to be developing more n more day > > by day. > > > > Great going mysql !! > > > It's good to have features and all. But don't you think MySQL is killing > it's own competitive edge? > > Developers chose MySQL over others because it was lightweight; it was in > version 3.xx like a swiss-army knife. It is on it's way to becoming > elephantware. And I always thought it was because it was installed on webhosts and because PHP supported MySQL better than other databases. Lets see: relational integrity, stored procedures, triggers, acid compliance are just necessary features. Missing in MySQL 3.x. Does MySQL handle 30th February correctly? Devdas Bhagat

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Ruby vs Perl
by Pillai, Gishu R (GE Energy) 30 May '05

30 May '05

Hi, Just ran into a prog lang that I didn't know.. Ruby - "the object oriented scripting language". Has anyone got to grips with this language. I just bought a book for Perl.. Is Ruby better than Perl or are they in two completely different worlds.. http://www.ruby-lang.org/en/20020101.html Thanks, Gishu Pillai

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Re: Morals and Ethics
by sherlock＠vsnl.com 30 May '05

30 May '05

On Sunday 29 May 2005 12:35, Trevor Warren wrote: > --- Kenneth Gonsalves <lawgon(a)thenilgiris.com> wrote: > > keep it on list - i for one am enjoying it > > [snip] > > No offence meant. But just cause we do not see eye > to eye on an issue however frivilous it may be we > choose to take it offline. > > In days when as a group we learnt.....we did toy > around with a lot more frivlous issues and that too > with no [ot] tags. > > Come on boys...rock and troll....oopsy..roll. Puneet and I agreed to disagree with two mails (offlist) of I-said-u -said and closed the thread. And actually GNU/Linux is becoming a bit too reliable (boring?). All my systems continue to roll without touching them. Hardly any tech issues. However the future is fraught with extreme danger due to proprietary companies - particularly M$ - lobbying for laws assigning themselves rights which usurp rights of the commons or fences off large areas of technology simply because somebody else got to filing patents first. Even worse fencing of technology which could be used for illegal acts in spite of the fact that such users are a microscopic subset of legit users, and the affected parties are big companies on a death spiral. They are equating knowledge with limited + non replicable resource - property. In reality the value of knowledge lies in it's non expendability and replicability. The original patent laws were created to benefit individuals by providing them a time limited period of monopoly, so that society and the creator could benefit from the IMPLEMENTATION of knowledge AND that knowledge become public. Patent law required that the patent be described in detail and with specificity. Over a period of time the whole system was turned on it's head so that companies became it's primary beneficiary and the patent paper itself was anything but detailed and specific. This bad situation was further twisted to patent business processes, software and algorithms (knowledge) thus trying to interfere with ones thought process. You can't think an alternate algo producing the same result. If you think this is idiotic be assured it IS NOT there are case against two doctors for discussing Hormone Replacement Therapy, which is patented by some company (HRT that is ). The excuse made by companies is that it costs a lot of money to create knowledge - which is directly contradicted by the evidence in the case of software. In the case of other knowledge like pharmaceuticals it could be shown that the major cost of identifying promising directions of research are borne by public bodies like universities. It's only the commercialization which is expensive, again much of that expense is marketing, distribution and legal costs - nothing to do with knowledge creation. The evidence is low cost drug mfgs in baruch / ankleshwar area often as low as 1/20th the cost of a branded equiv. The fight by the commons relies in the main on taking the moral high ground. Compromise this by condoning or justifying illegal behaviour and you will be delivering yourself a k.o. . In essence it's a slow slide to the Feudal age where a tyrant king and his overlords simply annexed large parts of the commons and made it private property and you paid a tithe to farm, or became a serf. Their power derived from wealth largely obtained by plundering peaceful wealthy communities. Sounds familiar?. rgds jtd

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X server trouble
by Puneet Lakhina 29 May '05

29 May '05

HI all, There was some problem with my xserver, it did not start after i installed java sdk 1.5. i think it was because of the space or something. anyway i removed that but now the problem is i have to login every time in text mode and i have too issue startx manually, using the command startx. How do i make it automatically do that and one more thing only gnome starts up. if i give startx kde it tries to start the x server but fails, any clues what could be the problem and how can i resolve it... Puneet

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] LINUX on AMD Athlon 64
by Trevor Warren 29 May '05

29 May '05

>thinking of it. But > I wanted to be doubly > sure that whatever I load into it runs for sure. > > Richard [snip] If you one of the techy types ready to "apt get get_my_freaking_package" then debian is for you else for eye-candy stick to rhel/suse. You may also try out FreeBSD/Solaris 10 which is somthing work toying around with if you haev the time. Trevor |------|____________________________________|------| ( >- / Scaling FreeSoftware & OpenSource \ -< ) /~\ / In the Enterprise \ /~\ | \) \ | www.fsf.org | www.opensource.org | / (/ | |_|_ \____________________________________/ _|_| __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new Resources site http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/

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Re: A question regarding LDAP
by Vickram Crishna 29 May '05

29 May '05

At 4:26 PM +0530 5/29/05, Vikrant Gaonkar wrote: >i have configured a master ldap with LDBM database and have also >configured 4 slave ldap's getting updated from this master. >now my problem is that these slave ldap's allow me to write on them >and if i give only read access to these slave ldap's then they dont >even give the master to update the database. >can anyone help me out with making the slave ldap's read only to >everybody else and write access only to the master. How about if you identify the master and slave database servers as users (presuming you will run the slaves and master on different machines), give only these users write access on both master and slaves, and read-only to everyone else - assuming you need to update the salve databases as well, otherwise just give the slaves write access to the master? -- Vickram

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Re: Morals and Ethics
by sherlock＠vsnl.com 29 May '05

29 May '05

On Friday 27 May 2005 18:04, Puneet Lakhina wrote: Please take this off list if u want to continue, since I dont want to bore everyone with what we find interesting. On Friday 27 May 2005 18:04, Puneet Lakhina wrote: > > > Hey Sherlock, > > i know ur name is some jtd but m just helpin u stay in ur ambient > temperature. > And ya customers wisening up, if you deliver value to the custmore > than the most wise decision he made was hirin u?? You are mixing up getting customers and using illegal means to get customers. I jolly well know that getting customers (users) is important. Your tactic for getting them may include huge ad spends on BBC and Star telling potential customers blatant lies about how secure your software is or quietly working on already very secure software to make it even better. Getting customers illegally is bad for the customer and for other's business. But again it's not the business end of things that most people in the FLOSS eco system are interested in. It is usurping the commons and destroying it's value that we are worried about. M$ is the biggest and worst offender. There are / were others too Cisco, CherryOS, SCO, Forefront technologies (afair) etc. > And about M$ > loosing customers, thats just evolution as more n more players come > into the market and its good enough to survive the major market > holder will loose some share and thats where a company has to > innovate to stay in business. > I dont know if u know it or not but > "lets see where M$ will be if they keep their current behaviour. Current behaviour was in reference to ILLEGAL behaviour. Legal strategies and tactics are welcome and as you point out necessary. > And ya about makin illogical > observations - well if havin the customer s my first poriority > sounds illogical to you, u should be doin some readin not me.. You missed the point completely. It's about aquiring customers by illegal and unethical behaviour. Unethical is again subjective. To me an example of unethical tho perfectly legal behaviour is patetenting of prior art tech (fat file system, IS NOT, ) submarine patents. The fat file patents were overthrown but it costed the commons money and time to do so, both of which could have been more profitably spent. --chop the baloney about world peace, iraq, school education etc--- > > PS try changin ur email address u really are an embarrasment to the > name.. Somebody lost his cool -0 -that is a personal attack. But u obviously don't know me. and pls reply offlist if u want to continue discussing, i think we are wasting the commons resources. rgds jtd

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] A question regarding LDAP
by Animesh Singh 29 May '05

29 May '05

Evening Vikrant, > now my problem is that these slave ldap's allow me > to > write on them and if i give only read access to > these > slave ldap's then they dont even give the master to > update the database. > can anyone help me out with making the slave ldap's > read only to everybody else and write access only to > the master. define 2 acls ( one for replication, in read/write mode and another, in read only mode, for use ) Regards, Animesh. __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail Mobile Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/learn/mail

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MySQL Migration Toolkit 1.0.7 beta Released
by Komal 29 May '05

29 May '05

MySQL Migration Toolkit 1.0.7 beta has been released. The MySQL Migration Toolkit is a powerful framework that enables you to quickly migrate your proprietary databases to MySQL. More information at: http://www.mysql.com/products/migration-toolkit You can download sources and binaries for Windows from: http://dev.mysql.com/downloads/migration-toolkit This release adds support for MS SQL Server and addresses a number of bugs. All users are recommended to update to this new release. The list of new features includes - Support for MS SQL Server 2000 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ - Renaming of target schema objects The list of addressed bugs includes - Incomplete data transfer from some tables - Access BYTE and BIT not mapped to unsigned datatype - Datetime columns were missing time - Some Oracle/MS Access datatypes were not mapped Regards, Komal

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A question regarding LDAP
by Vikrant Gaonkar 29 May '05

29 May '05

Hi there, i have configured a master ldap with LDBM database and have also configured 4 slave ldap's getting updated from this master. now my problem is that these slave ldap's allow me to write on them and if i give only read access to these slave ldap's then they dont even give the master to update the database. can anyone help me out with making the slave ldap's read only to everybody else and write access only to the master. Regards Vikrant G ________________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! India Matrimony: Find your life partner online Go to: http://yahoo.shaadi.com/india-matrimony

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] A question regarding LDAP
by Trevor Warren 29 May '05

29 May '05

No idea about the config since its been quite soemtime me dirtied hands on with ldap. Did you check out the ACL's for slapd-slurpd?. Check the archives online pls. Also, the openldap mailing list may be a better place to get your queries answered if you do not get a satisfactory answer from any of the gurus here. HTH. Take care and have a great weekend dear. Trevor |------|____________________________________|------| ( >- / Scaling FreeSoftware & OpenSource \ -< ) /~\ / In the Enterprise \ /~\ | \) \ | www.fsf.org | www.opensource.org | / (/ | |_|_ \____________________________________/ _|_| __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail Stay connected, organized, and protected. Take the tour: http://tour.mail.yahoo.com/mailtour.html

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Automatic generation of iptables rules based on country
by Komal 29 May '05

29 May '05

http://blacklist.linuxadmin.org/ Komal

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Morals and Ethics
by Puneet Lakhina 29 May '05

29 May '05

hi there sherlock, > dude monoply isnt obtained by being a saint >Oh god! how naive of me. I am eternally grateful to recieve this >gem of knowledge. Yea! wait till u get shafted by them. Or maybe >they have already got you by your paying them for the crap. Thats where the problem lies in this world, emotions. First of all cool it!!!! i may not have read all the books that u prob have , but i bet one of them has keepin ur cool as its what shall i say KEY POINTS. And while we are at business ethics my dear nice fella again excuse me for me not havin read all those books that u probably stack up , i just know one business ethic or moral or watever customer, and repeat customer, and more customers and if u havent made it out just yet il give u a hint its CUSTOMERS. And that M$ has more than any of our redhats or whatever hats. But please allow me to make it clear that m not a M$ evangalist. I just believe that u gotta acknowldege that foss cant match microsoft in every segment. Now u might say that the windows market share in desktop secotor is dropping but its somewhat like maruti u know itl drop but still they will have more than half of the market for atleast 10-15 years from now. And morals and ethics that went out of the window long time back not just from business but from our world in geenral. What else can explain the re-election of tyrant in the country of maximum of ur moral and ethical brothers(and sisters if i might say that). Now one thing more, the reason i have joined this mailing list is because i personally like using Linux and the community process asssociated with it and moreover i would like to get good at it..And i support the idea that people should have a choice. But i dont believe that a complete disregard for what a rival is doing will do any good to my cause. So dude chill, take it easy. And ya piracy where did i mention my likin of piracy? And thanks for the info which i was diein to get from a learned person like you about GNU/Linux. Thanks a lot.( With all ur sarcasm,i guess u got my point) > u got to play dirty and >Yep you wise fella. I am is loving u. Where do i buy that AK47 to >knock off competition. That is a bit violent?. How about knocking >them off for Rs.5850 + 11750 (winXP prof + office xp prof) and >any other of their stuff u find appetising, now that u know what >a rotten bunch they are. Now while two wrongs do not a right make, >it is much better than waiting to get short changed. And while we >are at it you can present the same argument to all and sundry and >add a mind numbing dent to the 3 billion hole caused by piracy in >Asia (according to their personal slave the BSF singapore). >Great guy you are. >Suggest you read some books on morals and business ethics before >making cockeyed observations. And stick to the right side of the >law by recommending a perfectly viable, completely legal, >no-bullshit alternative.No <http://alternative.No> not piracy - GNU/Linux.BTW it's >also legal (very sorry to spoil your fun). >> fines well the fines have been for anti monoply suites whr M$ which >> just reinforces the point that they v got power to do what they >> like wats 3 billion to microsoft nothin much i would say... >> and wat hapnd to the bundeled IE case against m$ doesnt look like >> there is much headway and netscape can go on reinventing itself >> from borrowed code, it aint doin any good >You really need to read. They have lost 70% of the webserver market, 70%????????? i dont know if we are switchin identites here but as far as i know M$ never had 70% of webserver market share. (Heard of apache - the most popular web server). Well probably those morals and ethics books dont have that bit... sorry >10% of the browser market since firefox hit them, 20% of the desktop >market in the last two yrs. Inspite of their illegal practices, >money, and fud. >But that is not enough. evertime u use or cause others to use M$ >products u are rewarding illegal and obnoxious behaviour either in >cash or by providing the next set of victims for exploitation. That >is the only lesson to be learnt. Regarding me causin others to use M$ i guess i made it clear that i upport the idea of havin a choice.. But i do believe that m$ will always be there as all users are not the same and never will be for some m$ is good for some linux is heaven. I guess u havent heard of this - Paanchon Ungliyan Barabar Nahin Hoti.(All fingers are not of the same size- in case u dont know hindi) Regards, Puneet

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Italian, Venezulean voices favoue freeing knowledge
by sherlock＠vsnl.com 28 May '05

28 May '05

On Saturday 28 May 2005 15:35, Frederick Noronha wrote: > Free Software Foundation of India director Prof G Nagarjuna > stressed how India was able to fight-back attempts to make software > a patentable item. He said help for this endeavour had come from > enlightened politicians, the peoples' science movement, media and > others. Three cheers to Dr. Nag and the Enlightened politicians. Are we not safe for the time being from the IS NOT patent?. The EU directors are falling over themselves trying to permit software patents with a ridiculous condition known as "Technical effect" the said effect being produced when the software is run on a computing platform. Is there another platform on which software runs? All this inspite of stiff opposition from members and citizens. The last attempt to push the law thru was at a meeting of Fisheries and Agriculture (or some such), i am still trying to make the connection between fish and software. Probably only a fish would accept such red herring laws. rgds jtd

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Italian, Venezulean voices favoue freeing knowledge
by Frederick Noronha 28 May '05

28 May '05

THIRUVANANTHAPURAM, May 28: Publicly-funded content must be openly available, and sharing knowledge only enhances its richness, Italian senator Fiorello Cortiana told a four-nation international conference held in the Kerala capital this morning. Eminent economist and former Venezuela minister for planning and development Dr Filipe Perez-Marti agreed, and stressed that participation, solidarity and wisdom would be the key three words that characterise a new global situation. Amidst praise for Kerala for organising this first ever south-to-south contact in the world of free software and free knowledge, speakers from Latin America (Venezuela, and Brazil), Italy and India explored ways of understanding their respective situations and possibilities for collaboration across the oceans. The Latin Americans were keen to hear about Kerala's attempts to look at take Free Software solutions to schools, through their IT@School project which aims to train about 200 master trainers, who will then train at least one teacher from each school in the state in the use of free software. Free Software Foundation of India director Prof G Nagarjuna stressed how India was able to fight-back attempts to make software a patentable item. He said help for this endeavour had come from enlightened politicians, the peoples' science movement, media and others. Latin American delegates spoke of how their firms including the Venezualan oil giant had opted for free software, both for more control over their work and avoid possibilities of sabotage in a crucial sector of the economy. Government of Brazil special advisor in the ministry of communications Antonio Bezerra de Albquerque Neto said Brazil was keen to build links with countries like India and China, and stressed that Free Software is a key means of in building a fairer society. SPACE executive secretary Satish Babu called this a fairly unique event and said Kerala had a good chance of building itself as a global destination of Free Software. SPACE chairperson Prof K R Srivathsan termed Free Software a natural way for the scientific community to play around with. Former musician turned Free Software activist Juan Carlos Gentile said he hoped this first-ever meet of its kind would lead to many things to come. Kerala IT secretary PH Kurian said ideas of sharing knowledge were not alien to India, and cited the case of Gautam Buddha who used the people's language to spread his message. Kerala began this four-nation meet on Saturday morning, and it aims to take the ideas of free software to different realms of society, which can gain from the power of sharing knowledge and culture. SPACE, the Thiruvananthapuram-based Society for the Promotion of Alternative Computing and Environment, is co-organiser of this event with the global NGO Hipatia (www.hipatia.net) and the Free Software Foundation-India (www.fsf.org.in). Organisers say that the international free software movement has shown a new way of knowledge creation and social ownership. They're keen to explore how the free software model can be applied to fields as diverse as governance, digital inclusion, development and culture. (ENDS) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Frederick Noronha 784 Near Convent, Sonarbhat SALIGAO GOA India Freelance Journalist TEL: +91-832-2409490 MOBILE: 9822122436 http://fn.swiki.net http://www.livejournal.com/users/goalinks fred at bytesforall.org http://www.bytesforall.org

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Indigo not so open as .NET Framework?
by sherlock＠vsnl.com 28 May '05

28 May '05

On Friday 27 May 2005 20:37, Dinesh Joshi wrote: > > May M$ burn in hell >:( Sometime ago there was a thread on advantages of Mono (was it Amol Hatwar). Not everyone on the list was convinced about it's advantages. I personally felt that a broader eco system would not be bad, especially since M$ was shouting from the roof top that .Net was free and open. On checking I found out that most of .Net is patent encumbered. Seems that unless i am willing to pay per seat + time limited protection money i am really digging my self into a hole. However the Mono project might still be of use if only to highlight the dangers of flirting with the vampire. My bet is that we would be seeing a Novell - M$ spat and Novell will have to abandon gpld mono but will continue using a closed version. Thus putting he poor souls who use Mono in a hole. see. If M$ says it's open be assured it's as open as a bear trap. Use .Net and Mono with very great caution. rgds jtd

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Re: Morals and Ethics
by sherlock＠vsnl.com 28 May '05

28 May '05

On Friday 27 May 2005 20:34, Dinesh Joshi wrote: > >From: Philip Tellis <philip.tellis(a)gmx.net> > > > > > Maruti or M$. While 15 yrs is like 15 light yrs in the > > > computing world, > > > >Umm, years and light years are different. A year is a measure of > > time while a light year is a measure of distance. > > hehe....i can't stop laughing! You got him good! :lol: YA ;-). But i'll duck under an artistic licence. rgds jtd

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Indigo not so open as .NET Framework?
by sherlock＠vsnl.com 27 May '05

27 May '05

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/05/26/ndigo_mono_no_no/ "A Novell-backed project seeking to create an open source version of web services technology in future versions of Windows could hit an IP hurdle from Microsoft. Evaluation has begun on an open source version of Indigo, the web services communications layer due in Longhorn and updates to Windows XP and Windows Server 2003. But Microsoft suggests there could be issues over licensing of its intellectual property (IP) used in Indigo - even though previous elements of Mono have been developed by the community-" rgds jtd

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Re: Morals and Ethics
by sherlock＠vsnl.com 27 May '05

27 May '05

On Friday 27 May 2005 00:16, Puneet Lakhina wrote: > hi there sherlock, My name is J. T. D'souza, as the sig says jtd. > > dude monoply isnt obtained by being a saint > Thats where the problem lies in this world, emotions. First of all > cool it!!!! i may not have read all the books that u prob have , > but i bet one of them has keepin ur cool as its what shall i say > KEY POINTS. Never loose my ambient temp which is always kinda high - keeps one fit. > And while we are at business ethics my dear nice fella > again excuse me for me not havin read all those books that u > probably stack up , i just know one business ethic or moral or > watever customer, and repeat customer, and more customers and if u > havent made it out just yet il give u a hint its CUSTOMERS. Thanks for the confirmation about the books but do read up before all those customers wisen up to illegal business practices and get u. > And > that M$ has more than any of our redhats or whatever hats. Funny how M$ keeps loosing them INSPITE of a their lack of scruples. > But please allow me to make it clear that m not a M$ evangalist. who cares even if you are. Just don't make illogical observations about business ethics without understanding the legalities and wider ranifications. > I > just believe that u gotta acknowldege that foss cant match > microsoft in every segment. Now u might say that the windows market > share in desktop secotor is dropping but its somewhat like maruti u > know itl drop but still they will have more than half of the market > for atleast 10-15 years from now. Maruti or M$. While 15 yrs is like 15 light yrs in the computing world, let's say we look in 3 yrs time and see where M$ will be (assuming that they continue their current behavior). > > And morals and ethics that went out of the window long time back > not just from business but from our world in geenral. The FLOSS methodology of development can indeed address broader issues, but shall we stick to computers and FLOSS rather than world politics, global warming, green philosphy and life on other (SETI should help u) worlds. > > Now one thing more, the reason i have joined this mailing list is > because i personally like using Linux and the community process > asssociated with it and moreover i would like to get good at > it..And i support the idea that people should have a choice. But i > dont believe that a complete disregard for what a rival is doing > will do any good to my cause. Weren't we focussing attention on an ethically challenged company who restricts choice by illegal activities and by using the naive in it's scheme? > So dude chill, take it easy. And ya > piracy where did i mention my likin of piracy? And thanks for the > info which i was diein to get from a learned person like you about > GNU/Linux. Thanks a lot. Hope u got it. By justifying illegal behavior u are doing a definite disservice to FLOSS. FLOSS relies on legal and ethical behaviour to proliferate and progress. rgds jtd

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Re: LINUX on AMD Athlon 64 (Shreyas Phadnis)
by Roshan 27 May '05

27 May '05

1. Re: LINUX on AMD Athlon 64 (Shreyas Phadnis) From: Shreyas Phadnis <linuxace(a)gmail.com> To: "GNU/Linux Users Group, Mumbai, India" Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 11:35:03 +0530 Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] LINUX on AMD Athlon 64 > On Fri, 2005-05-27 at 09:39 +0530, Richard Chang > wrote: > > I plan to upgrade my current system currently Cel > 1.2 ghz. Planning for the > > AMD/Asus combo. > > If you plan to go for AMD then avoid ASUS mobos. Coz > Asus boards have > poor support for linux. Google it, u`ll know. Still > if are sure you want > to buy ASUS, then go for the ones with NVIDIA > chipsets.The ASUS mobos > with SiS chipsets suck! > > Regards, > Shreyas Phadnis. I have an ASUS mobo and it does have SiS....however, I am using Redhat Linux 9.0 and things work fine. I recently tried installing sound card driver and messed up my kernel. Now it loads some modules forcibly.. I feel; by default, ASUS for linux is not bad..but if linux is tweaked or tampered then may be it wud become bad. RH9 did detect my SiS chipsets and things are working almost normal (except the sound ....) Even then, I would recommed you to go "INTEL Motherbords and Processors"...but it also depends on the budget you have and the kind of work to be done. However, if its more of work in graphics and stuff...and linux.... then I would recommend going only for INTEL instead of AMD. All the best! _____________________________ www.geocities.com/d_rosh2001 ________________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! India Matrimony: Find your life partner online Go to: http://yahoo.shaadi.com/india-matrimony

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securetty
by Karia Amit 27 May '05

27 May '05

Hi all, I want to disallow both root and normal users to login to tty3 .Root login is disable but normal users are still able to login to terminal. What other modification i need to make to that file here is content my /etc/securetty file vc/1 vc/2 vc/3 vc/4 vc/5 vc/6 vc/7 vc/8 vc/9 vc/10 vc/11 tty1 tty2 ttyS3 tty4 tty5 tty6 tty7 tty8 tty9 tty10 tty11 "Difference Between Good And Great Is That Good Performs Well And Great Performs Well Consistently" Regs, Amit Karia

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] securetty
by Nadiem 27 May '05

27 May '05

--- Karia Amit <amit_karia99(a)rediffmail.com> wrote: > > Hi all, > I want to disallow both root and normal users to > login to tty3 > .Root login is disable but normal users are still > able to login to terminal. What other modification i > need to make to that file > here is content my /etc/securetty file > vc/1 > vc/2 > vc/3 > vc/4 > vc/5 > vc/6 > vc/7 > vc/8 > vc/9 > vc/10 > vc/11 > tty1 > tty2 > ttyS3 > tty4 > tty5 > tty6 > tty7 > tty8 > tty9 > tty10 > tty11 /etc/securtty is concerned with root logins only. It does not authenticate non-root logins. For that purpose, you need to edit the /etc/security/access.conf file. Add this to /etc/security/access.conf : -:ALL:tty3 Make sure your /etc/pam.d/login has this line: account required pam_access.so If it doesn't, you not only need to add the line, but also add it at the correct _sequence_. Just put it below any existing "account" line and you should be fine. HTH, Nadiem. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Re: Morals and Ethics
by Kenneth Gonsalves 27 May '05

27 May '05

On Friday 27 May 2005 1:49 pm, Amol Hatwār wrote: > nor would I say that all MS software > is good. could you give a few examples of good M$ software? -- regards kg http://www.livejournal.com/users/lawgon tally ho! http://avsap.sourceforge.net ಇಂಡ್ಲಿನಕ್ಸ வாழ்க!

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LINUX on AMD Athlon 64
by Richard Chang 27 May '05

27 May '05

Dear All, Just for info. Would like to know which FC3 kernel can we load on the AMD Athlon 64 2800+. Is it FC3-x86_64 ot the FC3-i386 kernel. Anyone who is using the above mentioned processor with LINUX ?. BTW is Athlon 64 x86_64 or i386 compatible. rgrds, rc

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Multiple distros
by sherlock＠vsnl.com 27 May '05

27 May '05

On Friday 27 May 2005 11:35, Shreyas Phadnis wrote: > On Fri, 2005-05-27 at 09:39 +0530, Richard Chang wrote: > > I plan to upgrade my current system currently Cel 1.2 ghz. > > Planning for the AMD/Asus combo. > > If you plan to go for AMD then avoid ASUS mobos. Coz Asus boards > have poor support for linux. Google it, u`ll know. Any experience? > Still if are > sure you want to buy ASUS, then go for the ones with NVIDIA > chipsets.The ASUS mobos with SiS chipsets suck! Any particular reason? I thought that AMD cpu boards used AMD chipsets which are very well supported. U can run linuxbios on em - which is the bottomline for linux support (u require extremely detailed documentation from the vendor to write a bios). could u please list the chipset numbers if it's not too much trouble. rgds jtd > > Regards, > Shreyas Phadnis. rgds jtd

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Multiple distros
by sherlock＠vsnl.com 27 May '05

27 May '05

On Thursday 26 May 2005 23:04, Dr. Sharukh K. R. Pavri. wrote: > On Thu, 26 May 2005, R M wrote: > > add boot settings for new distro in the already > > installed boot loader's config file. > > Can't be done, the OP says he has to have XP on this machine. So > that will hog the mbr. What I suggest is install the bootloader on > the first part of the respective root partitions. Use grub as the boot loader. U dont need to reinstall grub unless u install windows xyz AFTER installing grub. You just need to edit the /boot/grub/menu.lst. In the case of lilo u have to reinstall lilo everytime u edit the /etc/lilo.conf. Also grub allows editing of every parameter at boot time. It can also read file systems, provides a shell (grub shell) and has online help. So it's very handy if you are juggling distros, kernels and drives. BIG FAT WARNING: write down what ever u are doing to prevent disaster. Some distros do not create the menu.lst. So get one and copy it to /boot/grub. Grub numbers disks and partitions starting with 0. So hda5 - the first logical partition on the primary ide - is (hd0,4) eg root (hd0,4) Ideally install windoz first. Then the other distros. Also create a mount point for the partition which holds /boot/grub in all the installs, so that u can edit menu.lst easily. In any case u can boot any distro from the grub shell like so > root (hdx,y) > kernel (hdx,y)/boot/vmlinuz-2.6.11-abcd root=/dev/hda10 ide=ata100 dma etc etc append="whatever" note root=/dev/hda10 is the regular linux naming convention.. if u have an initrd > initrd (hdx,y)/initrd/initrd-2.6.11-abcd > boot rgds jtd

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any material on clusters
by Trevor Warren 27 May '05

27 May '05

Morning Luggers, Anyone has some good reading/presentation material on: Software for building and using clusters * High Performance Computing Software (Beowulf/Scyld, OSCAR, OpenMosix...), including special mention of specific groups of projects such as Single System Image systems and Cluster-specific Operating Systems. * High Availability Software (Kimberlite, Heartbeat...). * Load Balancing Software (Linux Virtual Server, Ultra Monkey...). Software used on, and for using, clusters * File Systems (Intermezzo, ClusterNFS, DRBD...). * Installation and Configuration Software (FAI, System Installation Suite...). * Monitoring and Management Software (Ganglia, MOSIXVIEW, Performance Co-Pilot...). * Programming and Execution Environments and Tools (MPI, PVM, spread...). * Miscellaneous (things that don't necessarily fit into other categories well). Please send me the stuff/links. Thanks and take care. Trevor |------|____________________________________|------| ( >- / Scaling FreeSoftware & OpenSource \ -< ) /~\ / In the Enterprise \ /~\ | \) \ | www.fsf.org | www.opensource.org | / (/ | |_|_ \____________________________________/ _|_| __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new Resources site http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] dunno what the subject was
by sherlock＠vsnl.com 27 May '05

27 May '05

On Thursday 26 May 2005 20:24, Devdas Bhagat wrote: > On 26/05/05 16:37 +0500, sherlock(a)vsnl.com wrote: > <snip> > > > You really need to read. They have lost 70% of the webserver > > market, > > When did they ever get 70% of the webserver market? You can't lose > what you don't have. You are right. Should have been 'They have been beaten in the race for the webserver market with Apache holding 70% market share.' > > market, > Vendor independence is a good thing(tm). Particularly from something as knotted as M$. rgds jtd

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[ot][commercial] Custom software development: Java application in L inux
by Sharad Aggarwal 27 May '05

27 May '05

Hi, We are looking for someone who can develop a Java application on Linux platform. The application needs to be interact with a voip usb peripheral device and control the same. Complete command set to control the peripheral and sample code is available. We have a week's time to do the application. Please get in touch if you can help in doing the application on a commercial basis. Regards, Sharad. Sharad Aggarwal A Little World Pvt. Ltd. 403 Alpha Hiranandani Business Park Powai Mumbai 400 076 T +91 22 5697 3888 M +91 98673 64664 F +91 22 5697 3899 email: sharad(a)alittleworld.com Web: www.alittleworld.com

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SquidGuard vs DansGuardian
by Komal 27 May '05

27 May '05

Hello, I need some advise or review of SquidGuard and DansGuardian comparison. In my experience, SquidGuard runs very stable in my environment (around 2 years) and "integrated" to Squid, but it seems no more development. I never use DanGuardian that claim better than SquidGuard. Hope you would give me your review of products. Regards, Komal

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Multiple distros
by Trevor Warren 27 May '05

27 May '05

We having a distro shootout or what?. Anyways, the most imp like Dr. Shahrukh also mentioned is to be aware of the boot loader config. Keep one main gnu-linux partition as bootable, do not re-write the mbr for any other distro you install. Copy the kernels from all your new installs to the main gnu-linux boot partitions and just keep appending the entries into the /boot/grub.conf file. This way you can manange any amount of operating Systems on one machine. The tricky situation one can get in is with the *BSDs. With careful configuration you can get through on this one too. You could again choose the Gnu-Linux grub boot loader to boot into the system For Sun Solaris 10 x86 i would suggest you get an additional HDD and save you some paracetamols. MS has enough of documentation and hence you should find configuring that a breeze. Who ever said FSF/OS fanatics aren't open minded. Boooooooooooooooooooooting your way around..:D. Trevor |------|____________________________________|------| ( >- / Scaling FreeSoftware & OpenSource \ -< ) /~\ / In the Enterprise \ /~\ | \) \ | www.fsf.org | www.opensource.org | / (/ | |_|_ \____________________________________/ _|_| __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

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[ot][commercial] For other Unix admins....!!!!
by Trevor Warren 27 May '05

27 May '05

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[ot][commercial]Fwd: Requirments At Avaya Pune
by Trevor Warren 27 May '05

27 May '05

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FC3 Login Problem: Root logs in fine. 1 user account has trouble
by Abhishek Daga 26 May '05

26 May '05

This problem happened since this morning. Have 2 user accounts (in addition to 1 root) on an FC3 system. Root and 1 user account logs in fine. Another user account displays strange logging behavior. On typing username and password, it does not say authentication failed, but attempts a login and the screen changes with the hour glass appearing for a second or so. Then instead of showing the loading icons, it returns to the authentication page. Have changed password for that account just to be sure but it still persists. And only for this particular account. Any clues? thanks. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

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OpenOffice 1.9.104 (moving towards 2.0 ): early review and a query
by Abhishek Daga 26 May '05

26 May '05

Just moved to OO 1.9.104 (2.0 Beta) and must say its a great improvement over 1.4. They finally got the print preview in default and with an intuitive (read: windows type) icon. Works fine on the win boxes. Facing a problem on FC3. even though I ran the GUI integration rpm, and it added the same to the menu, the programs don't seem to come up. I am working on it, but if anyone has faced a similar situation and knows the fix, please pass it on. thanks. abhi Ps: the installation history. May 2004: Installed the current version of OpenOffice and asked staff to transition from the existing MSOffice 97/2000/xp. Nov 2004: Nothing happened. MSOffice used as usual. Mar 2005: upgraded OO to 1.4 but still no transition to it from msoffice. May 2005: Uninstalled all versions of MSOffice, and changed the file extension to .sxw and .sxc via a script. There was whining for exactly 2 days about how difficult the new thing is and how it doesnt do so n so functions (primary complaint being, no print preview button). The new version 1.9.104 shoots down that excuse too and the look n feel is very very pleasant. moral: one only learns swimming in deep water. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new Resources site http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/

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Multiple distros
by Ninad Bapat 26 May '05

26 May '05

Hi I have 2 computers. A brand new PC P4 2.4ghz with 256mb RAM 40g HDD CD/DVD combo drive Old IBM branded PC with Celeron 500.(Non Cd boot) CD rom drive 64mb RAM. Unfortunately the new Pc will boot Win Xp as the primary OS as other family members use it. 20Gb has been partitioned for this as C and D I have already tried FC3/Slack and Ubuntu on the remaining space. Now I would like to re install thes distros the following way 1.FC3 2.Debian Sarge 3.Slackware 4.Ubuntu Hoary Each will be allocated 4gb space Will also alocate 512mb as swap space The remaining space will remain empty or may be used in future for LFS or Gentoo. Is the above scheme possible ? by creating extended partitions Will 4 gb suffice for each distro. I intend to install the full distros and then remove unwanted packages. Thanks and Regards Ninad

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] dunno what the subject was
by sherlock＠vsnl.com 26 May '05

26 May '05

Please put a proper subject line. On Tuesday 24 May 2005 21:15, Puneet Lakhina wrote: > > dude monoply isnt obtained by being a saint Oh god! how naive of me. I am eternally grateful to recieve this gem of knowledge. Yea! wait till u get shafted by them. Or maybe they have already got you by your paying them for the crap. > u got to play dirty and Yep you wise fella. I am is loving u. Where do i buy that AK47 to knock off competition. That is a bit violent?. How about knocking them off for Rs.5850 + 11750 (winXP prof + office xp prof) and any other of their stuff u find appetising, now that u know what a rotten bunch they are. Now while two wrongs do not a right make, it is much better than waiting to get short changed. And while we are at it you can present the same argument to all and sundry and add a mind numbing dent to the 3 billion hole caused by piracy in Asia (according to their personal slave the BSF singapore). Great guy you are. Suggest you read some books on morals and business ethics before making cockeyed observations. And stick to the right side of the law by recommending a perfectly viable, completely legal, no-bullshit alternative.No not piracy - GNU/Linux.BTW it's also legal (very sorry to spoil your fun). > fines well the fines have been for anti monoply suites whr M$ which > just reinforces the point that they v got power to do what they > like wats 3 billion to microsoft nothin much i would say... > and wat hapnd to the bundeled IE case against m$ doesnt look like > there is much headway and netscape can go on reinventing itself > from borrowed code, it aint doin any good You really need to read. They have lost 70% of the webserver market, 10% of the browser market since firefox hit them, 20% of the desktop market in the last two yrs. Inspite of their illegal practices, money, and fud. But that is not enough. evertime u use or cause others to use M$ products u are rewarding illegal and obnoxious behaviour either in cash or by providing the next set of victims for exploitation. That is the only lesson to be learnt. rgds jtd

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] FC3 Login Problem: Root logs in fine. 1 user account has trouble
by Abhishek Daga 26 May '05

26 May '05

--- R M <rhcefrommumbai(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > --- Abhishek Daga <abhishekdaga(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > This problem happened since this morning. > > Have 2 user accounts (in addition to 1 root) on an > > FC3 system. > > > > Root and 1 user account logs in fine. > > > > Another user account displays strange logging > > behavior. On typing username and > > password, it does not say authentication failed, but > > attempts a login and the > > screen changes with the hour glass appearing for a > > second or so. > > What is the shell and home dir of this user? > can u give the line containing this username from > /etc/passwd? > > Bash shell. home directory is /home/user/ This is my home machine. On logging remotely from work it worked fine for root. For user it is logged in but gave this message before taking me in. ls/usr/X11R6/bin/xauth: timeout in locking authority file /home/user/.Xauthority no disk space issues. user@localhost] emacs .bashrc X11 connection rejected because of wrong authentication. Connection lost to X server `localhost:10.0' even now I am logged in remotely as the user. but X startup seems to be giving problems.. still trying to fix it without mass deleting or deleting user account. -abhi __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

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RE: [ILUG-BOM] Re: Linuxers Digest, Vol 25, Issue 47
by Pillai, Gishu R (GE Energy) 26 May '05

26 May '05

*snip* > > >Lotus did not make mistakes. M$ changed the win APIs and not only > >did not provide it to other vendors (Novell, Lotus, IBM etc) but > >also deliberately introduced bugs to prevent the victims software > >from running. That is what those fines were for. > >dude monoply isnt obtained by being a saint u got to play dirty and fines >well the fines have been for anti monoply suites whr M$ which just *snip* the point i think was that Lotus rested on their laurels instead of pushing forward..

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RE: [ILUG-BOM] LINUX on AMD Athlon 64
by Dinesh Joshi 26 May '05

26 May '05

>From: "Amol Hatwar" <amol(a)hatwar.org> > >Yeah it does take quite a lot of bandwidth. But everything runs fast once >you do a custom compile. I had done a kernel compile using ck sources and >multimedia apps ran considerably faster. > >See that's also one of the ideas of having sources available, compile >according to your needs and optimizations :). And you actually end-up >learning quite a lot of how various pieces of software made by different >people fit together. Does Gentoo require only the kernel to be compiled or are all the softwares compiled from source? Regards Dinesh _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] [OT] - Saving Private Rony
by sherlock＠vsnl.com 26 May '05

26 May '05

On Wednesday 25 May 2005 09:30, Pankaj Dekate wrote: > This is the first time I am hearing that a hardware is developed > for a particular OS. To put it more accurately there is hardware developed keeping a particular os in mind eg. TRON and in the distant past Transputer, Acorn Archimedes and 6809 which fitted the stack based FORTH language and a FORTH os. But nothing prevents other os from being ported to these archs. In the case of pc compatbile hardware there is nothing os specific. It's just that the drivers are not available for non p rop os. > Man if these hardware vendor also provide a driver for their device > ,then this problem wouldn't arise.It is the hackers who write these > drivers either by extending some driver written for some similar > device. Again it's the spec that is more important rather than the driver per se. FLOSS software proliferates in more ways than one can imagine. Having a closed driver blocks filing of niches and is a maintanence nightmare. The life of a closed driver will be at best 2 yrs, before it becomes unusable, taking down a perfectly good piece of hardware with it. In another thread we are on a nostalgia spree. I have a old 486 that cant use a new drive because of the bios. If the bios source was available it could have been easily hacked to use a newer drive. > I didn't have my sound card supported for several years just > because the h/w co didn't want to release their specs.But those > idiots didn't provide the drivers also. > Once the specs came up some one came up with a driver for it and my > device is working fine on it. I have a Creative sound card from 1989. I used it in 2001 under linux as a radio modem. I am sure that it's designers must never have dreamt of such a use. Keeping the specs open results in more markets. But then you need brilliant managers to exploit these niches. Think business models and environments. > >The other options > > are to buy linux compatible hardware. This will increase costs > > which will not be acceptable to the customers when the other > > competitors are willing to do it cheap for them. Rony on the cheap end it's only the internal modem which is not supported. Everything else is. And for the 65536th time do factor in the OS, applications and maintanence before even talking of price. And please dont start a "illegal-is-legal-if-everybody-does-it" arg. rgds jtd

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] [OT] - Saving Private Rony
by sherlock＠vsnl.com 26 May '05

26 May '05

On Wednesday 25 May 2005 20:59, Rony Bill wrote: > I hope mandrake 10.1 detects his on > board lan card in his 845 GLVA mobo. He uses cable net and when its > down, he uses dialup. I will post a report in a few days. works with sarge on HIS 845GLVA. Installed one a 2 weeks ago. 8139too is the driver. Get the isp details and network config from the windows machine to save yourself unneccessary hassle. rgds jtd

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Eclispe meet
by sherlock＠vsnl.com 26 May '05

26 May '05

On Monday 23 May 2005 19:17, Puneet Lakhina wrote: > And about windoze or M$ bashing , i guess the desktop worrld can > learn from it a lot and anatgonism is never gona be helpful windoze > does have some good features thats why so many people use it.... > And like it or not M$ is good at marketing what its got no matter > how crappy. Moreover MS is the company that over the years has made > the least amount of bad business decisions. Going by the fines they have paid (> $3billion) does not look like that at all. It is not even good at marketing (wether M$ has it or not is not even relevant to them), it simply robs other companies of their ideas and then fights in court until the opponent goes bankrupt. In lay mans terms it's called bullying. > So take the good from > M$ and Windoze rather than just bash it... I mean Lotus made > mistakes IBM did .. Lotus did not make mistakes. M$ changed the win APIs and not only did not provide it to other vendors (Novell, Lotus, IBM etc) but also deliberately introduced bugs to prevent the victims software from running. That is what those fines were for. rgds jtd

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] [Fwd: Printfu in India]
by Abhishek Daga 25 May '05

25 May '05

--- Anurag <anurag(a)bsd.miki.eu.org> wrote: > > Using Printfu, you can upload any large pdf at their website, pay some > money and get a binded covered printed manual in a day or two at your > doorstep. Beautiful for those large manuals and tutorials that you keep > downloading and have to read them on screen because they are too large > to print. > > Is a service like printfu something that you would be interested in > using? I would, if the price is right. ;) Are there going to be printers > you know who would be interested in working with prinfu for such work? > The printer can be anywhere in India, but preferably near the metros so > that atleast metro to metro courier prices are reasonable. > Kinkos in the US has a tie up with UPS and they provide a complete print-n-deliver solution. So does NowDocs.com based in san mateo. though i am not sure if they are still in business. but kinkos is. and its not just PDFs. they will print any matter and do all sorts of fancy stuff with it if you desire. Though I am not clear why one should have a problem printing it if they could download it and have the right printer. Also, can take it on a disc to the nearest print center and get it printed on the spot. probably will take lesser time than uploading. maybe I work in a commercial area that has tons of such printers at an arms length, upto a saturation point. There is Fort/Andheri Station/Borivali, to name a few. what would work is if the data or manual is too big to download and instead of uploading it to the printer's site, we could only provide a URL and they do the downloading and printing, then it would be something to consider. these were just my opinions. facts will be posted by the next poster. :) __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail Mobile Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/learn/mail

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] For the AHs
by Devdas Bhagat 25 May '05

25 May '05

On 24/05/05 12:45 +0530, Amol Hatwar wrote: <snip> > If you (betatesters et al) want Windows to be virus-free like GNU/Linux and > other Unix-ish distros ask Microsoft to implement stuff based on the POSIX > standard. > MS is supposed to be implementing Unix permissions in Win2003. And a usable commandline shell. Devdas Bhagat

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[commercial]: Custom software development: Java application in Linu x
by Sharad Aggarwal 25 May '05

25 May '05

Hi, We are looking for someone who can develop a Java application on Linux platform. The application needs to be interact with a voip usb peripheral device and control the same. Complete command set to control the peripheral and sample code is available. We have a week's time to do the application. Please get in touch if you can help in doing the application on a commercial basis. Regards, Sharad. Sharad Aggarwal A Little World Pvt. Ltd. 403 Alpha Hiranandani Business Park Powai Mumbai 400 076 T +91 22 5697 3888 M +91 98673 64664 F +91 22 5697 3899 email: sharad(a)alittleworld.com Web: www.alittleworld.com Regards, Sharad. Sharad Aggarwal Director PCO NET Limited 403 Alpha Hiranandani Business Park Powai Mumbai 400 076 T +91 22 5697 3888 M +91 98190 46529 F +91 22 5697 3899 email: sharad(a)pconet.net Web: www.pconet.net

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.Net not quite free
by sherlock＠vsnl.com 25 May '05

25 May '05

http://blogs.zdnet.com/BTL/?p=1417 "However, enterprise-class features such as support for multiple processors and fully-featured J2EE servers requires Visual MainWin for J2EE Enterprise Edition, which, according to Mainsoft’s site, has a base price of $5,000 per developer for a two year license." Paying a one time charge is different from seat and time based extortion for a non crippled version, which is what patents and non FLOSS software specialise in. rgds jtd

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] [OT] - Saving Private Rony
by sherlock＠vsnl.com 25 May '05

25 May '05

On Tuesday 24 May 2005 05:55, Rony Bill wrote: > Technically linux is *the best* but its iterfacing with humans > needs to be simpler. Eg. MTNL has the best technological resources > but their human interface is apalling and causes it to be > unpopular. That comparison is apt when turned on it's head with a minor change. M$ has the most resources but their world interface is apalling and causes it to be unpopular amongst those who know. The resources MTNL garnered by having monopoly status granted by the government. Fits M$ to the T except that they have obtained a monopoly by illegal parctices. And further want to compound the fact by 1) trying to incorporate patented "technology" into standards 2) lobbying for patents 3) Spreading fud using self financed sham studies. 4) Obtaining patents on prior art 5) Illegally usurping technology from small companies 6) Claiming that FLOSS is a destroyer of capitalism and economies 7) Subverting communication standards 9) Failing to adhere to court rulings on protocol disclosures ad nauseum Thus trying to lock out FLOSS by means other than technology or market competence. The op was to draw attention to a possibility of legal action against hardware vendors installing M$ products with known and unplugged security holes not to bash windows users or go thru the flogged to death windows is better than linux. Most Luggers are aware of these issues but some still fail to see the fact that they are active abetters in M$ illegal activity - sort of biting the hand that feeds. > Just stop bashing windows In spite of the above facts? If you dont create sufficient awareness now you could be hauled to court via dmca for disclosing the next vulnerability my friend. Lucky India as yet does not have such a law. Dont wait passively for one to be enacted act now by ditching M$ - you have a more than capable alternative with FLOSS. > or their users. Except on this list - only because they are sufficiently aware of the issues but continue to abet M$. IMO. And for the record the op was not directed to anyone person. rgds jtd

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need revolution os and code movie cd
by Trevor Warren 25 May '05

25 May '05

Morning Luggers, Does someone have the "The Code" and "Revolution OS" movie cds. I have lent my "The Code" movie to a great pal and never got them back. Me offers 2 blanks and a coffee for anyone who can lend me the same pls. Take care and have a great day all. Trevor |------|____________________________________|------| ( >- / Scaling FreeSoftware & OpenSource \ -< ) /~\ / In the Enterprise \ /~\ | \) \ | www.fsf.org | www.opensource.org | / (/ | |_|_ \____________________________________/ _|_| __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Make Yahoo! your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs

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For the AHs
by sherlock＠vsnl.com 24 May '05

24 May '05

For those who still install windos on their client machines and think that worms and viri cause only software on the pc to be damaged. http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/05_22/b3935001_mz001.htm Windose users are actually abetting criminals indirectly. And Installers particularly those on this list are doing so directly by installing the stuff after being fully aware of the problems. And the banks and financial institutions all running windose. We are lucky cause the value of the rupee is 1/47 of the dollar so for the same effort the criminal earns 47 times more targeting US and Eur. rgds jtd

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Micronet ADSL Modem setup
by John Marder 24 May '05

24 May '05

Hi! I use FC3 at home and I have taken a Touchtel/Airtel DSL Connection. The trouble is that I want to use my Micronet USB ADSL Broadlink SP3302 Modem in Linux. This modem comes with drivers only for Windows. I checked the manufacturer's website. Though they want their products to work with Linux, they donot support Linux(??). I have also checked the eciadsl Linux driver page. No mention of Micronet's products over there either. This modem connects directly to the USB port and does not go through an Ethernet card. Can you help me use this modem in Linux? What do I need to do? Thanx John

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] A little piece of computer history for sale
by sherlock＠vsnl.com 24 May '05

24 May '05

On Tuesday 24 May 2005 13:12, Amol Hatwar wrote: > BTW, I have a 80386 board lying somewhere with a AMD CPU and IIT That should be ITI? > Co-prcessor 4MB Ram. Lemme know if anyone is interested :) U will need an isa hdd/fdd controller with separate cable for head and controller. I have a 1994 (afair) 486 -66 working with 16mb. Used to run RH linux 6.0. strictly no X. I dont have an old 200mb disk. The bios cant recognize a larger drive and the 16bit isa card is too slow for a new 2gb drive. But i should be able to make it whiz with some floppy based linux. Also i remember having to do a low level format on the 10MB drives before partitioning. One method was to run debug and jmp to 0x5c ( afair). This would start a low level format. Also have a massive hard drive with a transparent top which lets u see the inside of the drive, platter, filters, head et al. connectors are oxidised tho. Should keep all the junk running. Should be a hearty laugh 30 yrs from now. rgds jtd

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Re: Linuxers Digest, Vol 25, Issue 47
by Puneet Lakhina 24 May '05

24 May '05

> > And about windoze or M$ bashing , i guess the desktop worrld can > > learn from it a lot and anatgonism is never gona be helpful windoze > > does have some good features thats why so many people use it.... > > And like it or not M$ is good at marketing what its got no matter > > how crappy. Moreover MS is the company that over the years has made > > the least amount of bad business decisions. > > Going by the fines they have paid (> $3billion) does not look like > that at all. It is not even good at marketing (wether M$ has it or > not is not even relevant to them), it simply robs other companies > of their ideas and then fights in court until the opponent goes > bankrupt. In lay mans terms it's called bullying. > > > So take the good from > > M$ and Windoze rather than just bash it... I mean Lotus made > > mistakes IBM did .. > > >Lotus did not make mistakes. M$ changed the win APIs and not only > >did not provide it to other vendors (Novell, Lotus, IBM etc) but > >also deliberately introduced bugs to prevent the victims software > >from running. That is what those fines were for. > dude monoply isnt obtained by being a saint u got to play dirty and fines well the fines have been for anti monoply suites whr M$ which just reinforces the point that they v got power to do what they like wats 3 billion to microsoft nothin much i would say... and wat hapnd to the bundeled IE case against m$ doesnt look like there is much headway and netscape can go on reinventing itself from borrowed code, it aint doin any good

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] A little piece of computer history for sale
by sherlock＠vsnl.com 24 May '05

24 May '05

On Tuesday 24 May 2005 13:09, Amol Hatwar wrote: > > Oh dear. You coud not live without pctools. And sidekick. And > > changing some byte to make the prince of persia invincible or to > > jump to level 10. > > Changing a byte? Wasn't it "makinit" :)? No. I edited some byte using de. One byte decided the runlevel and two others energy. Actually traced it out using Borland turbo debugger. That inspite of being able to reach level 10 in about 30 minutes. I must have been seriously retarded then. rgds jtd

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RE: [ILUG-BOM] Eclispe meet
by Pillai, Gishu R (GE Energy) 24 May '05

24 May '05

*snip* >Met too, i also attended the first ILUG Bom meeting and the eclispe guy was >amazing. He said he is an open source Evangelist and then the glorious >question came. But i think we should commend the guys who organised it. I >mean the meting fulfilled its purpose at least for me it got me an insight >into the pluggable eclipse architecture . So now its upon us to explore. And >the second part of the session was real cool esp the QnA session brought out >some rela good qs. All said and done, the meet was worth my time. Now only if I could get Eclipse installed... The main download page has a big bold link for Windows while Linux downloads are hidden behind the link 'Other downloads for 3.0.2.' Are these the people that are pushing open source for 'ON DEMAND' business ? What do I download for RHL 8 the GTK2 zip or the MOTIF zip? The OSDL guys were quite forthcoming about the work that they do. Nice work whoever was behind the scenes.. Gishu

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Eclispe meet
by Puneet Lakhina 24 May '05

24 May '05

>>Hi, >>Is it just me or is that Rony really gets slugged a lot everytime he mentions Windows on this list. >>* I attended my first LUG Meet yesterday. There was a demo on Eclipse from some heads from IBM -"Open Source" is the basis of "ON Demand" business, which made absolutely no sense to me. In the QnA that ensued, someone popped a q asking if their pluggable architect. mimics emacs. The IBM guy apparently did not know his Open source that well and he popped the magic question 'Is emacs open source?' (uproar-jeering-chaos for someone who sure is not coming back for an encore). Linux in India lacks general awareness. Met too, i also attended the first ILUG Bom meeting and the eclispe guy was amazing. He said he is an open source Evangelist and then the glorious question came. But i think we should commend the guys who organised it. I mean the meting fulfilled its purpose at least for me it got me an insight into the pluggable eclipse architecture . So now its upon us to explore. And the second part of the session was real cool esp the QnA session brought out some rela good qs. And about windoze or M$ bashing , i guess the desktop worrld can learn from it a lot and anatgonism is never gona be helpful windoze does have some good features thats why so many people use it.... And like it or not M$ is good at marketing what its got no matter how crappy. Moreover MS is the company that over the years has made the least amount of bad business decisions. So take the good from M$ and Windoze rather than just bash it... I mean Lotus made mistakes IBM did .. ciao, pl

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Windows vs Linux - Programming Model only
by M.R.Anand 24 May '05

24 May '05

Why is it that we keep bringing up the same old topic of windows vs linux from a user's point of view?? I've programmed for/on windows before (dont flame me for this) and would really like to know how linux compares to M$ on the development front. It would be really usefull if someone could throw some light on - dll, COM, windows api equivalents on GNU/Linux. I doubt there exist a common api (for GUI) since there r different options available for different window managers. But then again x server is common. I really have limited knowledge on this front so i may be totally of the mark here. Also i'm aware about python and java which allow the program to be platform independent, but i'm looking at equivalent to M$ technologies here. Since Linux was not designed ground up as a replacement to windows but infact unix (did i get my facts right?) so there is bound to be some difference in the structure or api or whatever its called (i think its called the programming model...??), thats the difference i'm looking to understand. Anand. PS: "users" never learn untill they lose their precious data, so till then let em keep using M$.

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[Fwd: Printfu in India]
by Anurag 24 May '05

24 May '05

[Cross-Posted Again :-) ] Can someone in Mumbai take this up? People would love to get their PDF downloads printed and delivered at door steps. Anurag -- __ __ gnu /noo/ n. Ox like antelope; (abbr.) /gnoo/ (recursive acronym) Gnu's Not Unix.

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Windows vs Linux - Programming Model only
by sherlock＠vsnl.com 24 May '05

24 May '05

On Tuesday 24 May 2005 14:22, Pillai, Gishu R (GE Energy) wrote: > *snip* > > >Missing a minor detail.M$ has patents on large portions of the > > .Net architecture. They have granted a royalty free in perpetuity > > licence to the C# and CLI portion of the technology only. Other > > portions are licenced on different RAND terms. In short pay for > > commercial use. You are courting disaster, particularly with a > > Company as horrendous as M$. > > AFAIK the CLI is the specification submitted to ECMA. > http://www.ecma-international.org/publications/standards/Ecma-334.h >tm The CLR (similar to Java VM) is the implementation of CLI, which > is owned by Microsoft. So (a big hypothesis coming up) if I wanted > to write a new implementation of the CLI, would I be required to > pay anything to MS ? Not clear on this. No. Mono is one such FLOSS project trying to implement the dotnet framework. But even they are cluless about any M$ patents that they might be violating. The general feeling is that Miguel & co. are more likely than not to be in violation. The problem is that reading the patents automatically taints you, thus preventing you from doing anything useful. rgds jtd

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RE: [ILUG-BOM] For the AHs
by Dinesh Joshi 24 May '05

24 May '05

>From: "Amol Hatwar" <amol(a)hatwar.org> >And to all the nay-sayers that viruses in Windows exist only because it is >popular, read the fine print. Unix-like operating systems have been around >for decades now. The unix environment and architecture is much older that >Windoze offers. So theoretically, there should be more virii and exploits >in >the GNU/Linux world isn't it? The reason why this doesn't happen is because >of something we call "Architecture". Plus, the source code for Linux kernel and GNU apps have been around for atleast a decade. When you have the source code it's easier to write exploits, virii but it just doesn't seem so with GNU/Linux ;) Regards, Dinesh _________________________________________________________________ On the road to retirement? Check out MSN Life Events for advice on how to get there! http://lifeevents.msn.com/category.aspx?cid=Retirement

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RE: [ILUG-BOM] Windows vs Linux - Programming Model only
by Pillai, Gishu R (GE Energy) 24 May '05

24 May '05

*snip* >Missing a minor detail.M$ has patents on large portions of the .Net >architecture. They have granted a royalty free in perpetuity licence >to the C# and CLI portion of the technology only. Other portions are >licenced on different RAND terms. In short pay for commercial use. >You are courting disaster, particularly with a Company as horrendous >as M$. AFAIK the CLI is the specification submitted to ECMA. http://www.ecma-international.org/publications/standards/Ecma-334.htm The CLR (similar to Java VM) is the implementation of CLI, which is owned by Microsoft. So (a big hypothesis coming up) if I wanted to write a new implementation of the CLI, would I be required to pay anything to MS ? Not clear on this. Thanks, Gishu

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RE: [ILUG-BOM] LINUX on AMD Athlon 64
by Mohanram Gudipati 24 May '05

24 May '05

Hi, I have an AMD64 with Fedora core 2. It works just fine. I tried a Gentoo install, but I kept having problems with my RAID card. Fedora was painless. Hope this helps. Cheers, Mohan "Laziness is an optimisation protocol" ---------- Original Message ----------- From: "Amol Hatwar" <amol(a)hatwar.org> To: "'GNU/Linux Users Group, Mumbai, India'" <linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in> Sent: Tue, 24 May 2005 12:52:09 +0530 Subject: RE: [ILUG-BOM] LINUX on AMD Athlon 64 > > -----Original Message----- > > From: linuxers-bounces(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in [mailto:linuxers- > > bounces(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in] On Behalf Of Dinesh Joshi > > Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2005 12:07 PM > > To: linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in > > Subject: RE: [ILUG-BOM] LINUX on AMD Athlon 64 > > > > >From: "Richard Chang" <richard(a)hinditron.com> > > > > > >Would like to know which FC3 kernel can we load on the AMD Athlon 64 > > 2800+. > > >Is it FC3-x86_64 ot the FC3-i386 kernel. Anyone who is using the above > > >mentioned processor with LINUX ?. > > > > You'll need to use the x86-64 kernel. > > Or if you have the time and inclination you can try installing > Gentoo from Stage 1 > > Regards, > > ah > > -- > http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/mailman/listinfo/linuxers ------- End of Original Message -------

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Windows vs Linux - Programming Model only
by sherlock＠vsnl.com 24 May '05

24 May '05

On Tuesday 24 May 2005 12:34, Dinesh Joshi wrote: > >From: Satya <ilugbom(a)thesatya.com> > > Dude, you have some major misconception here. Let me clear it up. > > >It compares much better, as I can write useful production code > > without having to pay someone hundreds of dollars. I do this for > > a living, too. Oh, and the code is usually plain text so you can > > hack with a text editor and don't need an IDE-- though you can > > get those, too. > > You don't need to pay microsoft a penny to write code, compile it > on their .NET platform, sell it, distribute or any kind of > commercial activity with *your* software. Missing a minor detail.M$ has patents on large portions of the .Net architecture. They have granted a royalty free in perpetuity licence to the C# and CLI portion of the technology only. Other portions are licenced on different RAND terms. In short pay for commercial use. You are courting disaster, particularly with a Company as horrendous as M$. One reason for .Net was M$ losing a court case to distribute their mangled version of java. So now they can use the patented portions of .net for tying in customers to their products and services while anybody else wanting to develop a similiar service pays royalty. At the same time they can shout that the technology is free and open which it is not. Btw IS NOT is patented by M$ Do post any pointers negating the above. " Beppe, As one of the inventors on that patent as well as the person heading up the standardization efforts for the CLI, I'd like to explain why I've never felt the two are in conflict. The ECMA process requires that all patents held by member companies that are essential for implementing its standards are available under "reasonable and non-discriminatory (RAND) terms" for the purpose of implementing those Standards. This is the normal condition used in all International Standards organizations, including both ECMA and ISO. But Microsoft (and our co-sponsors, Intel and Hewlett-Packard) went further and have agreed that our patents essential to implementing C# and CLI will be available on a "royalty-free and otherwise RAND" basis for this purpose. Furthermore, our release of the Rotor source code base with a specific license on its use gives wide use to our patents for a particular (non-commercial) purpose, and as we explicitly state we are open to additional licenses for other purposes. " rgds jtd

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RE: [ILUG-BOM] LINUX on AMD Athlon 64
by Dinesh Joshi 24 May '05

24 May '05

>From: "Amol Hatwar" <amol(a)hatwar.org> > >Or if you have the time and inclination you can try installing Gentoo from >Stage 1 > What about the bandwidth? I thought you need to download the source for all apps from their site and compile it. Well, it does compile automatically but still... Regards, Dinesh _________________________________________________________________ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] A little piece of computer history for sale
by sherlock＠vsnl.com 24 May '05

24 May '05

On Monday 23 May 2005 11:35, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: > On Monday 23 May 2005 10:09 am, sherlock(a)vsnl.com wrote: > > Sob. The good old days. Funny that todays machines do pretty much > > the same thing a lot slower. Oh we do have better games than > > pacman and > > did you used to play parachute - i remember had to turn off the > turbo mode to play Ya -). And dig-dug. Jeez the time spent with those stupido games. Any one remember the first virus to strike our shores. I recollect the one which knocked chars off the monitor but dont recollect the name. This was in 86 or 87. Around the same time I wrote to UCLA for BSD 4.3. $150 for 30 floppies + postage came the reply. I never got around to ordering it tho. rgds jtd

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] A little piece of computer history for sale
by Abhishek Daga 24 May '05

24 May '05

--- sherlock(a)vsnl.com wrote: > > Ya -). And dig-dug. Jeez the time spent with those stupido games. I remember changing the character names in digdug using PCTOOLS. and one of my unrealized dreams is to cross 50,000 in DD.. i remember getting to 49500+ or something. After that I ended up upgrading to a 286 which made the game too fast. Also, Test Drive worked great on the machine. the ferrari though slightly slower than the mclaren had better handling. there used to be a command called Parkdisk to be used while transporting the hard disks. is there something similar nowadays that will prevent damage to HDDs while transporting?? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] A little piece of computer history for sale
by sherlock＠vsnl.com 24 May '05

24 May '05

On Monday 23 May 2005 12:58, Abhishek Daga wrote: > --- sherlock(a)vsnl.com wrote: > > Ya -). And dig-dug. Jeez the time spent with those stupido > > games. > > I remember changing the character names in digdug using PCTOOLS. Oh dear. You coud not live without pctools. And sidekick. And changing some byte to make the prince of persia invincible or to jump to level 10. > and one of my unrealized dreams is to cross 50,000 in DD.. i > remember getting to 49500+ or something. You must be a verry patient guy. > After that I ended up upgrading to a 286 which made the game too > fast. Also, Test Drive worked great on the machine. the ferrari > though slightly slower than the mclaren had better handling. > > there used to be a command called Parkdisk to be used while > transporting the hard disks. is there something similar nowadays > that will prevent damage to HDDs while transporting?? They autopark now. The head gaps are so tiny that it will screw the disk if it does not park before the disk stops spinning. rgds jtd

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[OT] - Saving Private Rony
by Pillai, Gishu R (GE Energy) 24 May '05

24 May '05

Hi, Is it just me or is that Rony really gets slugged a lot everytime he mentions Windows on this list. * I attended my first LUG Meet yesterday. There was a demo on Eclipse from some heads from IBM -"Open Source" is the basis of "ON Demand" business, which made absolutely no sense to me. In the QnA that ensued, someone popped a q asking if their pluggable architect. mimics emacs. The IBM guy apparently did not know his Open source that well and he popped the magic question 'Is emacs open source?' (uproar-jeering-chaos for someone who sure is not coming back for an encore). Linux in India lacks general awareness. * The PDF Viewer crashed twice right there in the session. So it's not as if Linux apps don't crash. * My windowsXP boots faster than SUSE 9.1. This could be another area for Linux to improve on for laptop users. * Maybe I'm too stupid to use Linux (or MS turned my brain to mush), but I'd prefer a single installation file that works out of the box rather than zips that go "Segmentation fault" when I try to run the app. It does not matter whether I have Linux source, I wouldn't know how to fix it. This is one area where I feel Windows scores in rakin in the people. * There seems to be too much infighting with distros on this side (drivers released for x version for Distro A.. other distro users make yer own. It's open source. OR Buy Linux compatible hardware.) * Virus-wise I still feel it's because no one's interested as of now + a better base-system than MS. As long as stuff is made by humans, there will always be others who can break in. * Linux scores in the 'under the hood' department but is still yet to reach 'prime time' status. If there's some fine print that I missed, 'LUG Members need to be anti-MS zero-tolerance holier-than-thou fanatics', I'll be glad to step out; just let me know. Repeating a favourite quote 'The only reason that I can see this far is because I'm standing on the shoulders of giants'. Instead of bashing windows left and right, recognize the good aspects and take it to the next level. As a user, I don't care as to what goes on/runs underneath.. as long as it does what it supposed to do. no more no less. Finally to end my tirade, as Rocky Balboa said 'Hit me !' Gishu

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] For the AHs
by sherlock＠vsnl.com 24 May '05

24 May '05

On Monday 23 May 2005 10:51, Richard Chang wrote: > Rony Bill [ronbillypop(a)yahoo.co.uk] wrote: > >Some questions: > > > >Why are viruses and trojans not created for linux? When linux > > overtakes windows in client machines, will there be a possibility > > of viruses and trojans being created for linux too? > > > >If a linux user surfs the net without a firewall and with java > > scripting active in his browser, will his system be prone to > > hacking attempts and key logging/password grabbing? Rubbish. > > > >Lets look at the issue in a practical way rather than randomly > > curse all windows users/installers. The OS is selected by the > > user. The installer has to follow market forces. The last sentence needs to add "into the big black hole" > > I totally agree with Rony. May be in future when Linux will rule > the roost, they may have a million more virii and worms than there > currently are on Windoze. Yeah so in the mean time you can enjoy all that s@#$ available on windows totally gratis. > As there will be many more poeple who can see the code freely, > there will be more experts who can exploit the code. And even more who can fix it. While on windows you dont even need the code to create exploits. That is one great plus for ease of (mis) use i humbly concede. > > And anything popular will have its own sworn enemies. Like Windoze > has. What can prevent M$ to exploit the code of Linux and invest in > maligning Man do you live on Europa (yeah it's habitable). M$ spends cold hard cash funding shills (why dont u try for some) to write fud and case studies to malign GNU/Linux. Some idiots are even convinced to not uninstall M$ crap after reading those. And a few find the time to ACTUALLY defend the pile. HA Ha ha. You made my day. > or crashing Linux like all the Windoze haters do right > now. After all it is free for all. ^ That should be fee for all. Windoze haters crashing windows ?. the crap fails to install on my chinese laptop with american cpu and korean ram and singapore hd and indian carrybag. The crashing happens later. But on my desktop I am in awe of windows parapsccho capabilities - my mere prescence makes it crash. Linux fails miserable to shut itself off in the prescence of linux haters. Once more i humbly admit that this feature is absent in GNU/Linux. rgds jtd

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Yesterday's GLUG meet
by Venkatesh Hariharan 23 May '05

23 May '05

Yesterday's GLUG meet on Eclipse attracted around 40 participants in Mumbai + 5 people from the Nagpur remote center of IIT Bombay's Distance Education Center. Zaheer Tavadi of IBM gave an overview of IBM's interest in open source and Ankur Goel of IBM gave an introduction to Eclipse. This was followed by a pleasant surprise. We had Tom Hanrahan, Engineering Director and Sean Madian, HR and Economic Development Director of Open Source Development Labs, home to Linus Torvalds. Tom and Sean are in India to get inputs and feedback on what role OSDL can play in India. Both the sessions were highly interactive with a great deal of audience interaction. I will be travelling next month so I request one of the GLUG list members to take up the btask of coordinating next month's GLUG meet. Venky

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Which Eclipse download for RHL 8 ?
by Pillai, Gishu R (GE Energy) 23 May '05

23 May '05

I found the Eclipse IDE was pretty good with built in Refactoring and AutoTest support and I reached http://www.eclipse.org/downloads/index.php and there a number of zips for Linux. What should I download for RHL 8? Thanks, Gishu Pillai

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] A little piece of computer history for sale
by sherlock＠vsnl.com 23 May '05

23 May '05

On Monday 23 May 2005 15:06, Abhishek Daga wrote: > --- sherlock(a)vsnl.com wrote: > > On Monday 23 May 2005 12:58, Abhishek Daga wrote: > > > --- sherlock(a)vsnl.com wrote: > > > > Ya -). And dig-dug. Jeez the time spent with those stupido > > > > games. > > > > > > and one of my unrealized dreams is to cross 50,000 in DD.. i > > > remember getting to 49500+ or something. > > > > You must be a verry patient guy. > > While touching wood, I must say that my epson lx 800 bought in 1990 > is still running strong. ofcourse very minor servicing and repairs > were involved, but insignificantly minor. > > Has anyone an older printer still in service? which model? and have > you spent a lot on it servicing? Citoh 132 col purchased 2nd hand in 1990 was last working in 2000. Havent tried it since. I think mfg date was 1987. No service other than oiling the head shaft. And epson fx1170 1994. Very heavy use. Self service for cleaning stationery punchouts and oiling the head shaft. I also have an Epson laptop (no jokes) - z80 with 64k ram and 320 x 128 lcd and 32k plugin rom. It has serial, parallel, micro printer and cpm + basic in rom. 1985 vintage purchased in akhiabara for $400. Will check if it still works today. rgds jtd

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] A little piece of computer history for sale
by Abhishek Daga 23 May '05

23 May '05

--- sherlock(a)vsnl.com wrote: > On Monday 23 May 2005 12:58, Abhishek Daga wrote: > > --- sherlock(a)vsnl.com wrote: > > > Ya -). And dig-dug. Jeez the time spent with those stupido > > > games. > > > and one of my unrealized dreams is to cross 50,000 in DD.. i > > remember getting to 49500+ or something. > > You must be a verry patient guy. more than patience, i just had too much time on my hands. was a school kid so you can imagine the amount of time one can spare. While touching wood, I must say that my epson lx 800 bought in 1990 is still running strong. ofcourse very minor servicing and repairs were involved, but insignificantly minor. Has anyone an older printer still in service? which model? and have you spent a lot on it servicing? Yahoo! Mail Stay connected, organized, and protected. Take the tour: http://tour.mail.yahoo.com/mailtour.html

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RE: [ILUG-BOM] For the AHs
by Dinesh Joshi 23 May '05

23 May '05

>From: "Amol Hatwar" <amol(a)hatwar.org> >Why all this finger-pointing? I am an unhappy Windoze user thanks to some >stupid company project; and I have to put up with the suffering everyday. > >As for the Windows support et al. According to what their ads on TV say, >Windows actually helps "start anything"... but mark my words, it also makes >sure that whatever got started stops working. Don't believe me? Learn some >C >and have a look at the stolen code floating around on the Net. Guys why the perpetual Windoze bashing? I am a Linux user hooked to my Linux system(s) 24x7 but I don't think its right to bash Windoze *all* the time. M$ does lie, cheat and extorts money from the users of "genuine" windoze but cut it some slack! It's after all a fool proof OS which IMHO GNU/Linux will never be. GNU/Linux won't ever reach the "ease" of Windoze because it needs intelligent users :) But there *is* something that GNU/Linux must learn from Windoze that when you're targetting the OS for an office/workplace environment then it must work out of the box. The users must not spend hours hacking the kernel to get something working or go through lengthy compilation process just to get a program going. I am very happy to see that most newer distros have shown significant improvement in this regards. >Would you put diesel in a petrol-driven car? You just can't throw hardware >at GNU/Linux and expect things to work. Before you buy that new gizmo, make >sure you have a look at the hardware compatibility lists. GNU/Linux >delivers >what it promises; if there's something it can't deliver, it doesn't >promise. Yeah, it's just that hardware vendors must make a Windoze driver otherwise their hardware wont survive in the market. Just try using an old scanner with windoze xp and see how much trouble you have getting it to work. I have a scanner which has XP drivers and is supposed to work correctly(according to M$'s website) but it doesn't. I have to yet come across a piece of hardware which Linux promises will work and it doesn't. Atleast with GNU/Linux you may be able to modify a newer driver to get it to work with the old scanner but in windoze there is no hope! >Why complain that Windows allows me to do this, and GNU/Linux doesn't allow >me to do it? GNU/Linux and Windows are different; not clones. Besides that >you'd be just complaining "there's no sauce on my burger". GNU/Linux world >is a self-service world; make your own sauce and pour. Hmm...maybe Gandhi or someone influenced it :) GNU/Linux incorporates the principle of Swawalamban (Self service?) >And JTD, get a life; choose a better subject line next time :P Hehe, good one! Regards, Dinesh _________________________________________________________________ Dont just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] A little piece of computer history for sale
by sherlock＠vsnl.com 23 May '05

23 May '05

On Sunday 22 May 2005 13:32, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: > On Sunday 22 May 2005 9:24 am, Trevor Warren wrote: > > What did you run on this baby?. What were the > > applications one used those days. > 1986 - eiko pc, 4.xx mhz, 256 kb ram, one 360 kp floppy disk, green > monitor and hercules graphics card - used to run wordstar, quattro > pro and borland pascal. Wrote an online billing prog for a pub - > prog and data all on the 360 kb floppy Turbo pascal 6.0 and assembly for tsrs. We used that and some ISA boards to test SMPS, modems, interface to digital meters, grab images from line ccds for optical alignment of fax machines. My first home IBM pc was assembled in 85. I got the mobo from Golden Computer Plaza H.K. Pc XT 20Mb, 512+64K, Hercules Graphics 720 x 348 afair The PC turbo xt was a 8 Mhz 640Kb beast. It was the workhorse for the accounts dept. It ran dbase progs for inventory, accounting and payroll. The 286 16Mhz with a maths coprocessor was for the gearheads - myself and a few mech engineers - running autocad, circuitmaker (an excellent pcb layout package written by another bunch of gearheads in mumbai), pal and epld design packages. Our productivity jumped 100x inspite of the fact that you ran a EPLD compile or a Design rules check overnight. The accounts dept. would get all worked up knowing that the gearheads had a very fast machine, particularly when we would let the consultant who wrote the dbase-clipper stuff to run on our 286. I had "networked" the machines via the serial port - 19600bps - to cross backup files with 30 mtrs of cable. And a few months later 2400bps dialup Tarapur mumbai - with 10 disconnects for a single transfer - still beat the office boy with floppies. Oh the joy of the gearheads, accounts and purchase depts. Sob. The good old days. Funny that todays machines do pretty much the same thing a lot slower. Oh we do have better games than pacman and very nice viruses - "good morning joshi" was a bit boring. rgds jtd

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