Linuxers September 2002

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[ANNOUNCE] HyParSuite - Hypertext Parsing Suite
by Ravindra Jaju 05 Sep '02

05 Sep '02

Hi all. This is to announce a pre-alpha release of my Hypertext Parsing Suite. It can "clean" HTML ( or other markup languages, depending on the user-defined rule table ) to get an output which matches the rules in your table, create a DOM tree for use in various applications and a lot of other stuff. It comes in the class of Tidy ( tidy.sourceforge.net ), but has very different goals. One is - it does NOT try to create standards-compliant HTML, but cleans and parses to create something useful for applications ( like, in information retrieval and extraction etc. ). It reads its rules from a user-supplied table, and the default one resembles HTML very closely. The suite includes a sample.cpp file to show how to use the library. And the library can be linked to your applications too. Examples could be extracting particular parts from your markup language files like links, or tables. It is written in C++, and does not *yet* use the auto* tools. Simple make commands to build and install ( in your $HOME ) We have run this code on huge amounts of data ( > 1 GB ), and found it to be stable and without memory leaks. There are other related applications written around this code which I'm planning to release soon. Please download and test. URL: http://www.it.iitb.ac.in/~jaju/hypar/ Online docs created from doxygen can be found on the site. -- jaju PS: Probably not the right time to release, as I'll be away from Saturday for a week. But please let me know of any issues/ideas/suggestions, and I'll look into them after I come back.

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] nikhil : re to re
by Amol Hatwar 05 Sep '02

05 Sep '02

>planet must use it. There always should be some space for >improvement ;) true... but i refuse to let loose my purse strings for patchy software from MS. -Amol.

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Re: [OT] Interesting Conversation
by Q u a s i 05 Sep '02

05 Sep '02

At 06:28 even 9/4/02 +0530, Philip wrote: >On Wed, 4 Sep 2002, Q u a s i wrote: > > I dont need some site telling me which is better - I *use* IE6 and Mozilla > > 1.0 - Mozilla is good. Especially Galeon is very fast under Gnome (as it > >I think what he meant was that IE cannot display all the features of style >sheets because it doesn't support them. IE is not a standards compliant >browser, although IE6 is probably the closest that they've come. I had got that. But my *whole* argument was from the user point of view. Not the technical. Mozilla may be superior to IE in design, architecture etc. - but IE is faster/cleaner to use. Have Netscape/Mozilla *always* been 100% compliant? My webpage, which I handcoded in HTML looked bad in Netscape 4.?, It looked better in Mozilla, but much better in IE5+. I have used png, jpeg, CSS2.0 & plain HTML only. On my X, Mozilla takes 10-15 seconds to start. Galeon takes 4-7. On my windows Netscape 6 took ~20 sec to load. Mozilla 6-10. IE takes ~1 sec. It is not that I need IE, when in Linux I prefer Links. But of course it is pointless. quasi p.s. I think with this mail I will retire from this thread. Throwing about our-own chests in front of each other is not the Linux way, at least not for me. I have peace, in that I have converted a sufficiently large number of people to the GNU/Linux way.

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Re: [OT] Interesting Conversation
by Parul Mathur 05 Sep '02

05 Sep '02

>Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 19:29:36 +0530 > From: Ravindra Jaju <jaju(a)it.iitb.ac.in> >To: linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in >Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] Re: [OT] Interesting Conversation >Reply-To: linuxers(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in > >On Wed, Sep 04, 2002 at 07:09:02PM +0530, Philip S Tellis >wrote: > > Hmm, I use HTML generated by a CGI script reading from a text >file. It > > takes me 20 minutes to make my text file. > >I use a simple Perl script. >You can supply a stylesheet from the command line, or else you >get >plain 'white' pages ... > >I can make the Perl script available if anyone wishes .... > >-- >jaju > Dear Philip, I was very impressed when I first saw you using those HTML files as "slides". When I left NCST and joined my present company, I made a stylesheet that mimicked the company standard for PPTs. To make individual "slides" I would manually and laboriously make several copies of the first "slide" and then edit it... you get the picture. So I would be really grateful if you could make your CGI script available for download on your website. Could you also make a non-CGI version available for use on the command line? Thanks. Dear Jaju, I was equally impressed by your tutorial at http://www.it.iitb.ac.in/~jaju/tutorials/net/tcpip/node1.html I was using IE6 at that time (800 x 600 resolution) and for some reason the text in the "slide" on the right seemed too big; I tried to change the text size to "Smallest" but there was no effect. Something wrong with IE? In any case, your Perl script would be very welcome too. Instructions for use would also be very helpful. Thanks. Parul

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Internal Modem
by Sameer Shinde 05 Sep '02

05 Sep '02

Dear Lugers, We ( myself & Kedar ) having some problems while installing the Motorola sm56 internal modem on RHL7.2 Can somebody help us. The readme file along with the rpm which we have says that the rpm file can be used on RHL7.1 along with the kernel 2.4.x But we have RHL7.2 along with kernel 2.4.x Can anybody tell us how can we use the rpm on 7.2 If not where can we get the drivers for 7.2 & / or 7.3 Thanks & Regards, SAMEER :) P.S. : Sometime back I read ( I think on mailing list only ) that Motorola stops developing the drivers for sm56 on linux. Is this true? In such case how can we get the drivers. Actually this is one of the reason why I'm not switching from 7.1 to 7.2 or 7.3 or any other distribution. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ My Messenger IDs : MSN : s2sameer Yahoo! : s9sameer RediffBol : s2sameer Indiatimes : s2sameer Visit My web-site @ : www.geocities.com/s9sameer/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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Re: Re: [ILUG-BOM] Re: [OT] Interesting Conversation
by Amol Hatwar 05 Sep '02

05 Sep '02

On Wed, 04 Sep 2002 Q u a s i wrote : >At 03:28 even 9/4/02 +0530, PTellis wrote: >>On Wed, 4 Sep 2002, Q u a s i wrote: >> > click, get a presentation done for tomorrow in 20 minutes and >>go to >> >>powerpoint takes significantly more than 20 minutes to build a >>presentation. more than a few hours actually. even then the >>presentation isn't visible on an OHP because the person who >>built the presentation doesn't understand the difference between >>a CRT and a projector. > >If that comes to that, it is best to use transparencies and OHP >marker pens. That is why most of the dear lecturers at NCST do >that. > >>well, I use linux because it works better than anything else >>I've used, and it looks better than anything else I've used. >>Yes, I use X a lot when I'm at work, and it's painful to have to >>use a windows machine after sitting at my system. The widgets >>look ugly, the colours are >>terrible, the sharp edges I don't like, and the nasty >>double-clicking is too much for me. I use Gnome as my DM and >>Mozilla as my browser. > >{grin} we surely have different tastes. But I guess the colours >bit is a bit too much dont you think? You can have whatever >colours you like, windows or x. In XP you get all sorts of >curves too, translucence, shadow, single clicks - all the works. >Even getting single clicking to win98 SE is a trivial 5 sec job. >Come come Sir, let us be unbiased. > >I am not propagating M$ products. >I am not saying windows is better overall. >All I am saying is dont ignore the good points of M$. As I >mentioned earlier, M$ has had no qualms incorporating features >swiped from all over the place. >What makes windows bearable, too, are some super cool *free* >software available for it. *chop* Those are called give-aways. If you have paid for the software, you have paid for the give-away in a way. If you haven't what you are doing is illegal. >Anyway we can sit arguing like this forever. In the end, we get >used to and love what we use. Yes, we could go on... But we should remember that we should only do things that we love doing legally ;). I may agree that Windows does give much more better performance compared to Linux with respect to some areas. But then one must also take several other things into account. If Linux was a built like Windows it would be hundered times better, perhaps more stable even. You may like using MS today, but as how many people and I see it, GNU/Linux will have the upperhand in the future. You can mark my words for this one :). Amol Hatwar.

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Re: [OT] Interesting Conversation
by Q u a s i 05 Sep '02

05 Sep '02

At 07:09 even 9/4/02 +0530, Tellis wrote: >On Wed, 4 Sep 2002, Q u a s i wrote: > > If that comes to that, it is best to use transparencies and OHP marker > > pens. That is why most of the dear lecturers at NCST do that. > >Hmm, I use HTML generated by a CGI script reading from a text file. It >takes me 20 minutes to make my text file. I use HTML for slides too. I dont have M$ Office. But a *lot* of others do. And calling them idiots is rather strange. q p.s. before we spiral out, please try to recollect my first mail, if you read it. I _am_not_ propagating Windows here for you all to jump on me. I did not even say anything against GNU/Linux. I only said X sucked. It really does. Why be zealotish?

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] [OT] Interesting Conversation
by Q u a s i 04 Sep '02

04 Sep '02

At 08:01 morn 9/4/02 +0530, Nikhil wrote: >I can only imagine what it must be like for Arts/Commerce/ ppl to >understand what is Linux What makes you think that *all* CS BE students know what a computer is? I have a friend with TCS who did his BE CS from VJTI and who surprises me. And I know a few from Commerce/Arts who aint bad... not bad at all. quasi p.s. Engg is a big joke. If you know what I mean... ;-D

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] [COMMERCIAL] SysAds Required / CISA,CISSPs Required
by Amol Hatwar 04 Sep '02

04 Sep '02

On Thu, 29 Aug 2002 Nilesh Chaudhari wrote : >Hi! Guys, > >The company where I work needs system administrators with >the following requirements - > > * Should possess a BE degree with atleast 1 year > of system administration experience. > * Extensive knowledge of Linux/OpenBSD. > * Strong on TCP/IP & Networking > * Extensive knowledge of Proxies/Mail/DNS/FTP servers > * Well versed with Firewall architectures and IDSes > * Strong Shell / Perl Scripting Skills. > * Very good communication skills. > * Based in Mumbai. > >Additionally, there is also a requirement for CISA/CISSP >certified guys with following criteria - > > * Should possess atleast 2 years experience in the > security field. > * Should have CISA / CISSP certification ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Which company is this? How many people in India have CISSP certs? Just below a 100! Bleh! -ah.

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Re: [OT] Interesting Conversation
by Q u a s i 04 Sep '02

04 Sep '02

At 03:28 even 9/4/02 +0530, PTellis wrote: >On Wed, 4 Sep 2002, Q u a s i wrote: > > click, get a presentation done for tomorrow in 20 minutes and go to > >powerpoint takes significantly more than 20 minutes to build a >presentation. more than a few hours actually. even then the presentation >isn't visible on an OHP because the person who built the presentation >doesn't understand the difference between a CRT and a projector. If that comes to that, it is best to use transparencies and OHP marker pens. That is why most of the dear lecturers at NCST do that. >well, I use linux because it works better than anything else I've used, >and it looks better than anything else I've used. Yes, I use X a lot when >I'm at work, and it's painful to have to use a windows machine after >sitting at my system. The widgets look ugly, the colours are >terrible, the sharp edges I don't like, and the nasty double-clicking is >too much for me. I use Gnome as my DM and Mozilla as my browser. {grin} we surely have different tastes. But I guess the colours bit is a bit too much dont you think? You can have whatever colours you like, windows or x. In XP you get all sorts of curves too, translucence, shadow, single clicks - all the works. Even getting single clicking to win98 SE is a trivial 5 sec job. Come come Sir, let us be unbiased. I am not propagating M$ products. I am not saying windows is better overall. All I am saying is dont ignore the good points of M$. As I mentioned earlier, M$ has had no qualms incorporating features swiped from all over the place. What makes windows bearable, too, are some super cool *free* software available for it. Anyway we can sit arguing like this forever. In the end, we get used to and love what we use. >I can watch movies full screen, and if only I could get a pair of speakers >in here, I could hear them too (my sound system is configured correctly). We can watch full screen movies in Windows too. :D And yes I require a pair of speaker to get sound out of windows too. BTW on my P200MMX watching fullscreen movies on Linux was *very* jerky. Ditto windows media player. But Cyberlink player played the same movies super smooth. > > that it has the potential to be ~170 deg K. > >hmmm... cool enough to get frostbite. ofcourse, if that's too cool for >some people, they could just switch themes, and linux would be hot! as you know, ice can give you "burns" ... :D So, that 170'K I mentioned is both super cool as well as burning hot - take your pick. Let me quote William Blake "If the doors of perception were cleansed, all things would appear infinite" quasi

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