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ubuntu dapper drake: apache tries to open PHP pages as phtml text files
by Abhishek Daga 28 Oct '06

28 Oct '06

My LAMP configuration (default install) on ubuntu dapper drake was working fine uptil now. I tried to install php curl and in the process uninstalled/reinstalled a couple of packages for php and restarted apache. ever since, my php files are being recognised as phtml files and firefox tries to OPen or Download it...i.e. the box pops up. The following packages are installed: apache2 apache2-common apache2-mpm-prefork apache2-utils php5 php5-cgi php5-cli php5-cgi php5-common php5-curl php5-gd I added/these lines existed the following in /etc/apache2/apache2.conf file AddType application/x-httpd-php .php .phtml AddType application/x-httpd-php-source .phps AddType application/x-httpd-php .inc AddType application/x-httpd-php .class AddType application/x-tar .tgz AddHandler cgi-script .cgi any ideas as to why something that was working perfectly fine got messed up? thanks abhishek __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

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Mobile Data Card on Linux OS
by ming 27 Oct '06

27 Oct '06

Hi We are looking for Mobile Data Card for sending and receiving SMS from Desktop PC running Linux OS. ( Drivers for Data Card on linux ) Any Make available. Any Vendor contacts available. Also what are the types of Interfaces available for card to install it in a desktop PC. What are the available speeds of reading SMS from the Data card Thanks Regards Mng --------------------------------- All-new Yahoo! Mail - Fire up a more powerful email and get things done faster.

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Help: Configuring IQARA Broadband on FC5
by Rakesh Venkat 27 Oct '06

27 Oct '06

Hi, I am dual booting FC5 with Windoze on a Toshiba Laptop(Tecra S2). I have a broadband connection from IQARA broadband. Has anyone got IQARA running on linux? Could you help me out with some instructions on how to go about this? I have tried the following so far : In Network Connections, I created a new xDSL connection named Iqara which uses dialup for getting IP information. Besides this, there is also an Inactive Ethernet connection on eth0 (the Ethernet Card--Marvell-something-something, recognized correctly). The Inactive ethernet connection is set to start up and determine IP information using DHCP. This sometimes fails to bring up the eth0 interface with the following error: Determining ip information.... <then gives Failed>. Now, on trying the Iqara connection, it starts up properly. But the problem is that this happens only sporadically.... bringing up eth0 more often than not is reporting the following error: Determining ip information:.... Failed; no link present, Check cable? If this happens then Iqara also fails to start up. At the same time, on Windows, the connection works properly... odd, since I would have expected it to say something like "Network Cable unplugged". RP-PPoE also doesnt seem to work, though I am not sure of all the settings. Any help in setting it up is highly welcome... Thanks a lot, Rakesh

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CD ROM doesn't mount
by Aniket Suryavasnshi 26 Oct '06

26 Oct '06

I've recently installed Ubuntu (Breezy Badger, 5.10) on my computer. The problem is that most times I boot into M$ XP, the CD ROM drive doesn't get mounted. I have to reboot the system, after which the CD ROM drive gets mounted. Is this problem caused due to the installation of Ubuntu (I'd encountered one error during the installation process, but I don't remember that error now) or is it caused due to some other malfunctioning in XP? -- With eggs so cheap these days, there's no point running behind chicks! ;)

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Re: CD ROM doesn't mount
by Roshan 26 Oct '06

26 Oct '06

Aniket Suryavasnshi wrote: > Is this problem caused due to the installation of > Ubuntu (I'd encountered > one error during the installation process, but I > don't remember that error > now) or is it caused due to some other > malfunctioning in XP? Did you try mounting the CD-ROM in Ubuntu (if it has to be mounted manually) or does it mount automatically in Ubuntu? I had a similar problem, and I found that the drive was faulty, because, it didn't work in Windows, and even in Redhat Linux 9.0. You may also try unplugging the drive once, and check the cables and power supply of the drive. (I had tried this....) -- http://www.gnu.org.in __________________________________________________________ Yahoo! India Answers: Share what you know. Learn something new http://in.answers.yahoo.com/

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Re: Forbes.com: Toppling Linux
by Vihan Pandey 26 Oct '06

26 Oct '06

> Asshole author who does not know the abc of what he is trying to > pontificate about. > > > > Asshole author who does not know the abc of what he is trying to > > pontificate about. > > didnot expect this from JTD or sud I say I sud have expected this from you > ? > >> Asshole author who does not know the abc of what he is trying to > >> pontificate about. > > > > didnot expect this from JTD or sud I say I sud have expected this > > from you ? > > i agree 100% with jtd - but didnt say anything because i knew he > would word it much better than i ever could A bit agressive JTD, but never the less justified. We ought to call these people what they are ;-) Anyway, i think the better way is to post comments on that article. At least people will be aware that the community will not take this lying down. i've posted my thoughts on : http://forums.forbes.com/forbes/board/message?board.id=stallmanreaction&mes… i've used an alias: edudkniht spelt backwards. i enchourage others to do the same. Regards, - vihan

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more flame bait
by Kenneth Gonsalves 26 Oct '06

26 Oct '06

hi check this out: http://www.macnn.com/blogs/?p=133 -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves Associate, NRC-FOSS lawgon(a)au-kbc.org http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/

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[OT] Unlimited Internet
by Rony 25 Oct '06

25 Oct '06

Hello All, On 21st Oct MTNL has advertised in the Mumbai Mirror that all customers of new CDMA 2000 1X Garuda FW and Garuda Mobile can get unlimited internet usage for an additional tarrif of just Rs. 299 per month under all the existing tarrif plans. It is yet to be updated on their website. So folks, the time is ripe for setting up that mobile wireless router in cars, taxis, buses for unlimited public internet usage without bothering about usage charges. The tiny motherboard discussed sometime back by others with integrated 266 MHz. processors and a simple external psu would be ideal for providing the tiny pc that dials through the MTNL phone and its ethernet output is given to the wireless router. This is just an imaginary concept..... Remember that bike advt. where the double decker bus is converted into a home because everyone is using that brand of bike for transport? "Public ka naya transport". I was imagining a Linux bus like that. A double decker bus that is dedicated to linux awareness. The lower deck has a lab with linux machines for demo and testing. It also has a counter that sells/distributes linux cds of different distros. The upper deck is for conferences and meetings, even ILUG-BOM meets. The bus will have its own power generator and wireless cum wired internet and LAN. If a chemical loo can be squeezed in, it will be totally independent of surroundings and can be parked in any area. Such a bus can regularly visit schools and colleges as they have the target audience and the space to park. It can also visit housing colonies to promote linux among the people with Linux 'melas'. The body of the bus is painted with catchy slogans and information that a person can read fast and get some idea of linux. Regards, Rony. Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com

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DRM and starving artists [OT]
by jtd 25 Oct '06

25 Oct '06

"Weird Al" Yankovic had several hits in the past but could not get his newer works published by the music overlords. So he published it on the net. http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20061024-8064.html Which brings us to the DRM worm and gplv3. does drm protect copyrighted works or merely extends tenure of crooked monopolies on distribution. Recently Yoko ono (wife of beatles John Lennon) sued a music company for deliberately misstating sales (and hence royalties) - a rather difficult propsition with online downloads. -- Rgds JTD

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problem remastering knoppix for a 256 mb USB pen drive.
by krishnakant Mane 25 Oct '06

25 Oct '06

hello all. I have gone through the remastering knoppix howto manual. the manual spoke of every thing but my requirement. I want to make a customised knoppix distro that can run from a 256 mb pen drive. as I had emailed before, my talking book reader needs that. JTD, Thanks for the link for the manual. the reason I did not ask any questions for a long time is because I was confirming that I am rest ashured that my problem is unsolved in the manual before asking uselessly on this list and crowding the trafic. but alas it is indeed unsolved. I believe I will format my pen drive with ext3 or riserfs file system. mostly I will go with ext3. now my question is how do I get knoppix to boot from my pen drive. no, I don't want dam small linux or any pre customised distro. correct me if I am wrong, butdam small linux or any other custom distro will contain gnome/ KDE, office productivity, and other things which I don't need. all I need here is a simple distro with no gui. the list of requirement is as follows. 1. bash and related tools. 2. standard c libraries so that my custom c programs can run. 3. festival speach synthesizer. 4. scanning and OCR softwares. I may just choose to have the libraries without the gui interface. and if there are console based OCR softwares, nothing like it. 5. grub boot loder (I think that must be obvious, sorry to sound stupid.). 6. a menu driven program that will start instead of the bash prompt after the system auto login. I don't want user to enter any username or password. 7. python interpreter I believe with the above requirement, I think 256 mb is more than sufficient. I have seen knoppix distros of about 200 mb with gui and other stuff (except open office of course). and yes, I have mentioned before that my pen drive has booted once with a custom slackware distro. so no problems booting gnu/linux from my pen drive. the only problem I am stuck with is that I can't find a way to get the only the above mentioned apps and create a custom distro that will boot from my pen drive with ext3 file system. I want to have it come up with my menu driven application instead of the default bash prompt. can any one help out in getting this work exactly as I want? thanks and regards. Krishnakant.

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Training in Linux kernel internals and programming
by Jojumon Kavalan 25 Oct '06

25 Oct '06

Hi, CDAC Mumbai wants to get some of its staff members to get trained in Linux kernel internals and programming. Any pointers to good institutions/individuals who provide such training? Thanks and regards, - Joju -- Everything should be made as simple as possible. But no simpler. - Albert Einstein Jojumon Kavalan KBCS Division, CDAC (Formerly NCST) Rain tree marg, Sector - 7, CBD Belapur, Navi Mumbai - 400614. Ph: 022 27565303 Ext: 305; Fax: 022 27560004 Home page: http://staff.cdacmumbai.in/joju Alt E-mail: joju(a)cse.iitb.ac.in

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Re: Training in Linux kernel internals and programming
by Roshan 24 Oct '06

24 Oct '06

Jojumon Kavalan wrote: > Thanks for all the responses, though few were a bit > senseless! My Apologies, if I diverted it to Off-topic discussions > Unavailability of experts in one or the other area > is a problem being > faced by many organisations like NCST. And that is > inevitable when > the experts leave the organisation for more > lucrative jobs! :) As suggested earlier, I too, would recommend you to join one of the IRC channels, where you'll _probably_ find people who would ready to take up this task. For details on the channel visit: http://db.glug-bom.org/wiki/index.php/Main_Page -- http://foss.in __________________________________________________________ Yahoo! India Answers: Share what you know. Learn something new http://in.answers.yahoo.com/

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IBM sues Amazon [OT]
by jtd 24 Oct '06

24 Oct '06

IBM sues amazon for patent infringement. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/10/23/AR200610230… The dangers of software patents. Dont be surprised if sending a packet over a wire becomes illegal. This one would whittle down to a business methods thingy. what's so unique about putting up a webserver to display pics of stuff u want to sell?. GPLV3 anyone?. -- Rgds JTD

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Ubuntu mirror in India@IITM
by Aparna Appaiah 24 Oct '06

24 Oct '06

Dear linuxers, I wanted to inform you that in addition to having a Debian i386 repository, http://ftp.iitm.ac.in now also has a Ubuntu i386 repository. It is also an official mirror of kernel.org. The Ubuntu repository is at http://ftp.iitm.ac.in/ubuntu Regards, Aparna -- Aparna Appaiah

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need a tally alternative on gnu/linux.
by krishnakant Mane 24 Oct '06

24 Oct '06

hello jtd, Abhishek, kenneth and other friends on the list. I could have specially sent this email off list to those whose names I mentioned at the top. but I want more people to read this email for spreading awareness because what I am going to ask is a new subject for me as well. I need an accounting software that falls under the FOSS model. it should compeet with Talli so that even common business men will use it. I remember Abhishek telling me the other day that probably Kenneth has done some work in this direction. the good news for me from what he further told me is that it is in python. kenneth, is that true? can I get your source code so that I too can work on it or may be even improve it? regards. Krishnakant.

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Re: Re: [ILUG-BOM] PPPOE config problem at boot
by bimal pandit 23 Oct '06

23 Oct '06

Dear Osric, On Sun, 22 Oct 2006 osric fernandes wrote : >On 10/22/06, Dinesh Joshi <dinesh.a.joshi(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>How is the DNS configured? Prolly the DNS servers aren't getting >>configured. > >I have entered the Primary and Secondary DNS IP addresses in the >respective fields under the DNS tab of system-config-network. Is there >some other way to set it? > >-- >Regards, >OSRIC XAVIER FERNANDES > >-- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers You can also use "/etc/resolve.conf" file and could make entries as nameserver 202.138.103.100 nameserver 202.138.96.2 regards, Bimal Pandit

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PPPOE config problem at boot
by osric fernandes 22 Oct '06

22 Oct '06

Hi all, I am using Fedora Core 5 and I am connected to the internet using a cable broadband connection (Exatt net that is provided via a local cable provider in chembur called worldnet). I have configured the connection using system-cofig-network by first creating an Ethernet connection that uses static ip. Running pppoe -A gives me a list of access concentrators in which worldnet001 is mentioned (this is same as the service name that I use to create a pppoe connectoid in winxp using raspppoe). Next, I created an xDSL connection in system-config-network. I made the appropriate settings and I am able to connect. However the problem occurs whenever I boot my system. At booting it shows me Bringing up interface ppp0 [ OK ] But when I try to browse sites I am not able to do so. If I open system-config-network it shows that the device ppp0 is active. If I deactivate it and reactivate it, then I am able to browse websites. I am not able to understand why the link doesn't come up at boot. It used to connect at boot previously, but then I tinkered with some settings and I don't know what I did, but I am not able to get it to connect it at boot. Please give me your suggestions. Thanks in advance, Regards, OSRIC XAVIER FERNANDES

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Re: Training in Linux kernel internals and programming
by Roshan 21 Oct '06

21 Oct '06

"Arun K. Khan" wrote: > Depends on the experience of the person in the field > s/he is > researching. An analogy to this is the packet switched network (Internet). A packet has its headers,(source and destination), along with necessary information (its data), but to reach the destination, each router has to route the packet through the best possible way, where the router has the knowledge of how the network is. Dinesh Joshi wrote: > Research inherently is without guidance. Therefore, A packet, may not on its own reach anywhere it wants. Though, we may assume, the packet themselves will become intelligent, in the near future, to have all information contained within itself. With respect to the OP, and the subject line, "Understanding the Linux Kernel", Oreilly Publications, is a good book. -- http://sankoobaba.blogspot.com __________________________________________________________ Yahoo! India Answers: Share what you know. Learn something new http://in.answers.yahoo.com/

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Re: Training in Linux kernel internals and programming
by Roshan 21 Oct '06

21 Oct '06

Shakthi Kannan wrote: > The Internet and the Free/Libre/Open Source > Community? http://www.kernelnewbies.org Dinesh A. Joshi wrote: > Research is dead in this country :( Or possibly, there aren't enough guides for research. --http://sankoobaba.blogspot.com __________________________________________________________ Yahoo! India Answers: Share what you know. Learn something new http://in.answers.yahoo.com/

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Re: Where Redhat Linux 9.0 created a big problem!
by Roshan 21 Oct '06

21 Oct '06

Dinesh Joshi wrote: > Yes. And the behavior is quite justified for a > server class OS. The OS > didnt halt, did it? It prevented XOrg from starting > so that further > complications could be avoided. I know it may not be > the best way to > tell the user that you shuold replace the mouse but > still... :P The OS didn't halt. It prevented the X from starting. But I see this as a *big* problem for not so, technically inclined users. In Windows, usually, Windows 98 would pop up a message saying the mouse isn't detected or something of that sort. However, the normal user still has the GUI and can find out some way to work out. Redhat Linux 9.0, left only the konsole to run, leaving a normal user helpless. -- http://sankoobaba.blogspot.com __________________________________________________________ Yahoo! India Answers: Share what you know. Learn something new http://in.answers.yahoo.com/

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Where Redhat Linux 9.0 created a big problem!
by Roshan 21 Oct '06

21 Oct '06

This isn't a big problem as such for me. But for windows users, moving to GNU/Linux (or GliNUx) possibly could be. My mouse failed working properly, tonight and I was really surprised to see what redhat linux 9.0 was trying to do. Somehow, there was a dependency in starting the console mouse service, which failed, and in turn, disallowed the X to start :( It asked me to attempt starting the X, and I tried a few times, assuming it would start without the mouse. It failed, and I quit. Shut the system, replaced a mouse (yes, I had a spare, won at a computer quiz competition in Ruia College ;) ) and restarted, and everything started working fine. Now, since it was Redhat Linux 9.0, I assume the OS is older and would consider the non-availability a big issue and avoid starting the GUI. However, do _newer_ and _different_ distro's face the same problem? -- http://sankoobaba.blogspot.com __________________________________________________________ Yahoo! India Answers: Share what you know. Learn something new http://in.answers.yahoo.com/

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FlashPlayer 9 beta available for Linux
by Arun K. Khan 21 Oct '06

21 Oct '06

FWIW FlashPlayer 9 beta available for Linux: http://labs.adobe.com/downloads/flashplayer9.html -- Arun Khan

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Ask Bono To Stand With Us Against DRM
by പ്രവീണ്‍‌|Praveen 20 Oct '06

20 Oct '06

Hi, Defective by Design ( http://wwwdefectivebydesign.org ) is running a campaign encouraging Bono to take a stand on DRM will send a powerful message. Its your chance to be a prt of this campaign by signing the petition. We have reached about 5000 signatures and we are looking at 10000. So pass it on to your friends as well. <quote> Dear Bono, You have dedicated a major part of your life's work to fighting for good causes, bringing pressure to bear on the powerful and political elite to effect positive change. In the same way that you have called for action from world leaders, we now call upon you to look at the facts surrounding Digital Restrictions Management (DRM), and join us in demanding an end to handcuffs on technology and culture. </quote> Read the full petition and sign http://defectivebydesign.org/petition/bonopetition http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bono Regards Praveen -- "Value your freedom, or you will lose it, teaches history. `Don't bother us with politics', respond those who don't want to learn." -- Richard Stallman Me scribbles at http://www.pravi.co.nr

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ADMIN: Greetings
by Devdas Bhagat 20 Oct '06

20 Oct '06

Please do not send festival greetings to a mailing list full of people you do not personally know. If you want to send a greeting, send it to individual contacts directly. Devdas Bhagat

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Flash on Linux
by Saswata Banerjee & Associates 20 Oct '06

20 Oct '06

Hi Please check out http://news.com.com/Adobe+releases+beta+of+Flash+for+Linux/2100-1012-612742… This should make many people happy. Regards Saswata

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first hand experience? Dreamweaver alternatives?
by Abhishek Daga 20 Oct '06

20 Oct '06

Can anyone recommend (first hand, sustained experience) for free and open sourced alternatives to dreamweaver? Thanks Abhishek __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

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Re: [CLOSED]No emails from mailman, any errors from my side?
by Roshan 20 Oct '06

20 Oct '06

Anurag wrote: > There were a dozen mails in the queue yet to be > delivered to > you. Might have been delivered by now. I'm looking > into the issue. Yahoo!, now is delivering it in time. I have received digests one by one. (Thanks to Anurag and Dinesh J. for helping) --http://sankoobaba.blogspot.com __________________________________________________________ Yahoo! India Answers: Share what you know. Learn something new http://in.answers.yahoo.com/

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No emails from mailman, any errors from my side?
by Roshan 20 Oct '06

20 Oct '06

MM admins, Are you receiving any server logs of the mailman of GLUG-BOM mailing list stating that emails are failing delivery at the following email address: d_rosh2001 at yahoo dot co dot in ? Though this should have only been to the admins, I am testing whether the mailman is actually accepting my mail:) -- http://www.gnu.org.in __________________________________________________________ Yahoo! India Answers: Share what you know. Learn something new http://in.answers.yahoo.com/

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Chart of Novell's Counterclaims and SCO's Reply
by Harsh Busa 19 Oct '06

19 Oct '06

Groklaw has posted a lengthy table that details the legal exchanges between Novell and SCO. "Groklaw's E-man submitted a handy chart of Novell's Amended Counterclaims compared with the SCO's reply, so we can compare paragraph by paragraph and easily see what SCO is denying and what it is admitting. I find these charts so handy, and I hope you do too." http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20061018074146358 -- __________________________ http://www.ebackend.com/blog

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] No emails from mailman, any errors from my side?
by Dinesh Joshi 19 Oct '06

19 Oct '06

On Thursday 19 October 2006 02:56, Roshan wrote: > Have you subscribed to digest mode? nope. > I haven't been receiving any digest for the past few > days, and therefore, thought Mailman is not able to > send me its digest. Better ask Anurag or some admin. -- Dinesh A. Joshi

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Re: accountant: 5K
by Kenneth Gonsalves 18 Oct '06

18 Oct '06

On 18-Oct-06, at 4:28 PM, Abhishek Daga wrote: > But, we still havent spoken about the accountants bit. > > So i'd like to make a start. I will start with a commitment of 5K a > month for the accountant atleast for the next 6 months. > It may not be enough, but its a start and more peolpe can pool in. > > So kenneth and krishnakant, as you two seem to be in the lead for the > programming aspect, can you work out the logistics? > Depending on that, we can locate the accountant in chennai or mumbai. i feel we can hold off on the accountant part for the time being. A paid person is only available for as long as he is paid for. I am sure saswata and you can provide enough inputs for now, and Rony has also promised an accountant who will help out. I have given an outline of my needs in: http://nrcfosshelpline.in/financial/AvSap all that is needed at present is to give advice regarding the points raised. You must forgive me for being a little cynical, because i have raised all these points and asked questions several times in the past and got nowhere. Once there is concrete comitment in terms of willingness to spend a little time putting in comments and suggestions, we can move to a more organised stage. Remember, the foss way is to aim small, commit often, do incremental improvements and test at each stage rather than have a grand plan before starting out. I am cc-ing the mailing list on this post as i see no reason why a couple of admins should drive us underground when we are in the process of finalising something - it is another thing after a group has been formed, separate mailing lists etc can be started. But at present no group has been formed and everything is at the stage of rough ideas and proposals. (It is not as if they were paying for the bandwidth or something) -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves Associate, NRC-FOSS lawgon(a)au-kbc.org http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/

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[COMMERCIAL] - Perl Programmer
by Rohan R. Almeida 18 Oct '06

18 Oct '06

Hi, Requirement is for a Perl programmer. The job is based in Mumbai with Internet Securities, Inc. (http://securities.com). Please note that this may initially involve a contract position with future possibilities of a permanent position. You must have: * A minimum of two years of experience in Perl * Experience with Linux systems * Worked with MySQL * Good communication skills * Understanding of loaders or some ETL tools will be added advantage Desired Perl skills * Experience with the DBI module (MySQL, Oracle) * Testing skills (Test::Simple, Test::More) * Know how to parse Excel and related files * Passionate about Perl programming Linux skills: * You should know your way around a Linux system * Shell scripting Please reply with your attached resume and any questions you may have. You can either reply directly to me or send your resume to Srinivas (sreddy(a)securities.com) Thanks, Rohan http://rohan.almeida.in

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[OT] Camera as a scanner.
by Rony 17 Oct '06

17 Oct '06

Hello All, At a meet in HBSCE, before the meet, in the canteen, Krish was explaining to me his project about converting books into talking ones by scanning the pages and converting them into text and text to speech. He mentioned about the difficulty in getting a low cost hand-held scanner. At that time I thought of a an idea of using a megapixel camera/camera phone instead of a scanner in order to speed up the scanning process. When we met Dr. Nagarjun, we mentioned this to him too and he found it feasible. A few days ago a client of mine asked me to checkout the 'MotoMing' cell phone as it had a business card reader along with some other good features. Today as I visited the websites and saw a flash demo, I was pleasantly surprised to know that it runs on linux and they use the same technique of clicking photos of the cards and extracting the text through OCR. So Krish can try out this method for his project too and this also gives me a positive feeling that the bar code based software transfer technique through a mp camera should be feasible in the sign posts for VI people idea that was discussed some time back. We only need to create our own algorithm for the OCR. Regards, Rony. Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] need a tally alternative on gnu/linux.
by Abhishek Daga 17 Oct '06

17 Oct '06

>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ---- From: jtd <jtd(a)mtnl.net.in> To: "GNU/Linux Users Group, Mumbai, India" <linuxers(a)mm.glug-bom.org> Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2006 5:17:58 PM Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] need a tally alternative on gnu/linux. Solemn promise KG. There is a hughe opportunity for everyone here. And KG do flame me if i am not doing my bit (honest - if u want me to work). <<<<<<<<<< Frankly, this is a job now. So everyone involved has the right to flame the others not putting in their bit. KG, when will you be in mumbai next? What about the bangalore guys? Chennai? Pune? Surely they must be thinking about this too? -abhishek

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Linux compatible motherboards.
by Debarshi 'Rishi' Ray 16 Oct '06

16 Oct '06

>> I use system-config-soundcard to set the sound card volume levels to >> full. Then did: >> [rishi@Sunflower ~]$ sudo /sbin/alsactl store 1 >> [rishi@Sunflower ~]$ sudo /sbin/alsactl restore 1 >> On running system-config-soundcard the volumes are again at the >> mid-point of the bar. > I believe you should use store 0 and restore 0 The same problem. -- "India is not, as people keep calling it, an underdeveloped country, but rather a developed nation in an advanced state of decay." --Shashi Tharoor

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Linux on 102 GGC
by Rony 16 Oct '06

16 Oct '06

Hello All, Kubuntu 6.06 live + installation cd was tried out on a P4 2.8 GHz. single core with Intel original 102 GGC motherboard and 1 GB RAM. The live session booted well with a successful startup sound and video resolution was good too. The client had to leave so that was the only test done but it will be installed in his system in a few days as dual boot. So now Intel 102 GGC buyers can go the linux way. Regards, Rony. Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com

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Pitching Linux to corporates?
by Dinesh Joshi 16 Oct '06

16 Oct '06

Hi list, A recent experience has left me horrified. I was recently at an Airtel relationship center. Their PoS terminal for paying bills via cash/cheques was running windoze ( Some NT variant ). To my horror the system constantly kept on popping up a message - "You have been infected by ...blah blah blah....". This message was of some vague antivirus but not the well known McAffee or Norton. If their PoS running windoze can get infected with a virus then what about the data of countless customers inside that terminal? Afterall it is connected to the internet and anybody can easily hijack it! :O [rant] I am not an Airtel customer anymore but I really wish they continue using Windoze and go out of business soon... :/ May they crash and burn in hell until eternity! >:( [/rant] Ahem...shouldn't somebody bring this to the notice of the media? I mean I can imagine the amount of negative publicity it can bring to M$ ( and not to mention Airtel hahahahaa... ). Weren't their website so insecure that anybody could easily get the itemized bills of any arbitrary customer? So this got me thinking...with the recent "awareness" of better security in the digital domain shouldn't these corporates use Linux based solutions which are inherently more secure AND stable? What is stopping the adoption of Linux?? -- Dinesh A. Joshi

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[Article] Why argue about dynamic versus static languages when you can use both?
by Navneet Karnani 15 Oct '06

15 Oct '06

Something interesting for people to read. - Navneet

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Re: RMS' visit to NIT Hamirpur
by Debarshi 'Rishi' Ray 15 Oct '06

15 Oct '06

> Best of luck organising Thanks. :-) > and great job convincing your college > management to let him speak. Would have loved to visit Himachal this > time of the year, but have to hold the fort in Mumbai :-) Not much convincing was needed actually. If the Free Software Movement, and GNU Project does not convince them, then RMS' connections with MIT, Harvard, and USA surely do! :-D Cheers, Debarshi -- "India is not, as people keep calling it, an underdeveloped country, but rather a developed nation in an advanced state of decay." --Shashi Tharoor

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] [OT] Chipset and Original Motherboard
by Vihan Pandey 15 Oct '06

15 Oct '06

> > Except for Devdas who is not a follower of GNU, no other supporter of > > Erm, come again? I follow the GNU philosophy (important). I do not say > GNU/Linux (far less important). i agree with you there. It's more important that one believes in the GNU philosophy and is aware of the differences between GNU and Linux rather than waste time and bandwidth fighting. In retrospect i remember something that Mark Shuttleworth said during his last visit to India. ``People from two different groups may agree with each other on 99% of things, but will kill each other over the remaining 1%" :-) Regards, - vihan

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[OT] Chipset and Original Motherboard
by Roshan 15 Oct '06

15 Oct '06

I have been, in the past distinguishing Original and Chipset motherboard. The former is described as one with Chipsets (on the motherboard) manufactured by Intel themselves along with the board. So, if I say, Intel Original Motherboard, I mean the motherboard, along with the chipsets on it, are manufactured by Intel. The latter is described as one with Chipsets (on the motherboard) manufactured by Intel, but the motherboard manufactured by a third party such as HIS, VIA, Gigabyte, MSI etc. Am I correct? The cost of VIA, HIS, Gigabyte etc. is compartively less. I have understood them this way, as this is a colloquial followed by most vendors at Lamington Road :). Please correct me if I am using terms wrongly. To be slightly on topic, have Linux distro users on this list, used motherboads manufactured by HIS, VIA,etc. (Not many have replied to Mr. Rony's question of compatible motherboard) -- http://www.linuxreality.com (Podcasts also for LINUX USERS) __________________________________________________________ Yahoo! India Answers: Share what you know. Learn something new http://in.answers.yahoo.com/

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] need a tally alternative on gnu/linux.
by Abhishek Daga 14 Oct '06

14 Oct '06

<<<<<<<<<< ----- Original Message ---- From: Kenneth Gonsalves <lawgon(a)au-kbc.org> To: "GNU/Linux Users Group, Mumbai, India" <linuxers(a)mm.glug-bom.org> Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2006 7:53:52 AM Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] need a tally alternative on gnu/linux. all true - http://avsap.sourceforge.net <--- pretty old now, but in about 6-7 languages. frankly i got frustrated as a lot of people were very enthusiastic about helping/contributing until it actualy came to the point of doing work ... I have rewritten the underlying accounting engine, a demo of which can be seen at http://avsap.org.in (note, this demo is in plone, but no way is avsap ever going to be in plone) >>>>>>>>>>>> guilty as charged. Couldnt get it installed, so interest waned. But the requirement is still there.

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Linus on Linux and the GPLv3
by Debarshi 'Rishi' Ray 14 Oct '06

14 Oct '06

>>> Hehehe. Thank you. Exactly what I needed to hear from an FSF >>> representative. Now would you be so kind as to make sure everyone >>> who tries to spread GNU philosophy is clear upon this point? >> What do you mean? I think you never needed to hear anything from any >> FSF representative. You need to tender an apology. Pray do not start >> throwing mud around, and then do a 'hehehe'. Get me one GNU hacker >> who said Linux is owned by GNU. > No. No apology in this case. I am not simply throwing mud. It is a fact. > Hence what I said above.. please make sure that all the GNU fans are > clear upon this matter. I was having this argument during RMS' recent > lecture. No apology. I apologise when I think I must. Look at the list > archives for proof of that. Can not do it. Internet connection is too slow at the moment. But I will take your word for it. > Btw. I never said GNU `hacker'. I said GNU `fans'. Define 'fan'. Do not start blaming GNU/FSF/RMS for what a GNU 'fan' says. Let the fans fan their opinions. FSF/GNU/RMS never claimed Linux was made by the GNU project although they do appreciate it being available today under a free software license, and not a proprietary one. How can the FSF make sure every one who talks about Software Freedom, Free Software, GNU is not arrogant, fanatical, etc.? Even Christ and The Prophet failed to ensure this. I think "it is best to be Christ or Buddha, than a Christian or a Buddhist". -- Microsoft does have a Y2K problem... it's called GNU/Linux!

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Linux compatible motherboards.
by Debarshi 'Rishi' Ray 14 Oct '06

14 Oct '06

>> is easily fixed by going to the 'detect sound card' menu in GNOME >> and increasing the sound level using the slider there. Funnily the >> after exiting the utility, the slider goes back to where it was >> but the thing does not go mute. I suggest you try tinkering with >> any such utility if you have. > set the volumes and > alsactl store 1 > alsactl restore 1. put this in some startup script. Thanks, but it did not work out. I use system-config-soundcard to set the sound card volume levels to full. Then did: [rishi@Sunflower ~]$ sudo /sbin/alsactl store 1 [rishi@Sunflower ~]$ sudo /sbin/alsactl restore 1 On running system-config-soundcard the volumes are again at the mid-point of the bar. Is this a Fedora Core 5 bug? Anybody reported it already? Regards, Debarshi -- Microsoft does have a Y2K problem... it's called GNU/Linux!

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] How to do a minimal install?
by Arun Khan 14 Oct '06

14 Oct '06

----- Original Message ---- >From: Aniket Suryavasnshi <aniket.a.s(a)gmail.com> ... snip ... >tools of our choice separately and then compiled to form a complete OS. How >can it be done? Most distros have a minimum/base install options. You can also de-select the software packages you are not interested in - the installer will resolve dependencies on libraries and other packages. -- Arun Khan

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Re: RMS' visit to NIT Hamirpur
by Vihan Pandey 14 Oct '06

14 Oct '06

Hi Debarshi, <snip> > Dr. Richard Matthew Stallman (http://stallman.org/) will be giving a > public lecture in National Institute of Technology, Hamirpur, Himachal > Pradesh on the 25th of October, 2006. The proposed topic for the talk > is "Free Software, Free Society". This would take place immediately > after Dr. Stallman is done with his talk in the Air Jaldi Summit > (http://summit.airjaldi.com) in Dharamsala. > > There is no entry fee for attending the lecture. Everyone is invited. > Anybody willing or able to make the trip are encouraged to drop in. Best of luck organising, and great job convincing your college management to let him speak. Would have loved to visit Himachal this time of the year, but have to hold the fort in Mumbai :-) Great Job again ! Regards, - vihan

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10th Year of KDE
by Pradeepto Bhattacharya 14 Oct '06

14 Oct '06

Hi, Perhaps many of you know that today KDE celebrates 10 years of existence. It was today Matthias Ettrich announced [1] the starting of KDE project on Usenet. Some people in this list surely did read that one then and some later. From what I gather from talking to people, 10 years down the memory lane, some people thought it was the next cool thing and for the love of "hacking" joined the project. Some days later in October 1996, Matthias Kalle Dalheimer, started working on the first KDE class ever - KConfig ( that was the first KDE code as well ). Matthias Ettirch started working kwn at the same time. The first version of kdelibs ( kdelibs-0.0.1 ) was soon released. And guess what there was no svn, no cvs as well . Everything was tarred up and dropped in FTP server at the University of Tübingen. Humble beginnings. IIRC, Taj (Sirtaj Singh Kang) joined the project around those times as well. Today the KDE ( with 4 MLOC of code) and its libraries talk of a very rich well documented API and a great community. Many of its home grown technologies have been adapted by industry and there is co-operation happening as well in the same areas. Technologies like KIO,KHTML, KParts just make a developers job easy. And then there are loads of applications and upcoming new stuff like Phonon,Solid (with recent commits to the main trunk branch ) and other really cool stuff show a lot of promise. Have fun. Cheers! [1] http://www.kde.org/announcements/announcement.php Pradeepto -- The KDE Project : http://www.kde.org KDE India : http://www.kde.in Mailing List : http://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-india

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] [OT] Chipset and Original Motherboard
by Vihan Pandey 14 Oct '06

14 Oct '06

Hi all, <snip> > >> It's more important that one believes in the GNU philosophy and is > >> aware of > >> the differences between GNU and Linux > > > > i'm missing something here, is there anything different between the GNU > > philosophy and linux philosophy? > > Yes, there _is_ a major difference between the two. Linux philosophy is > about using/writing/promoting ``Open Source'' owing to technical > benefits. The GNU philosophy is about using/writing/promoting ``Free > Software'' for ethical reasons. > Very true, but in my original mail the intention was NOT to start a ``Free Software v/s Open Source Flame war". For a simple reason, i think making one's position very clear on what one believes AND giving good reason to do so is the only real way to make a difference. i think there have been more than enough flame wars on this topic, and the result is still a stale mate, which itself tells that there is no point fighting about it. The community split into Free Software and Open Source, and they are still two separate entities. They do collaborate as the principals governing the software are the same. The difference is that there is an operational definition of the term ``Free Software" as charcterised by the 4 principal freedoms it offers. ``Open Source" does not have an operational definition, but a semantic implication that software source code must be open. That's my stated position. Regards, - vihan

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Re: need a tally alternative on gnu/linux.
by Abhishek Daga 14 Oct '06

14 Oct '06

>>>>>> Abhishek, may be we can have a small formal meeting with Kenneth if he is available. other interested people can also join in. the main point here is that once this problem of talli is solved, a huge community will embrace gnu/linux happyly. and bringing gnu/linux down to the common man is a major task still undone. regards. Krishnakant. <<<<<<<<< Not to belittle anyone's efforts, as KG has obviously done some splendid groundwork, but for it to be a box office success, there needs to be a dedicated team which will need to get paid. There can be guides, overseers, volunteers, helpers, but a dedicated team needs to be working on it full time and get paid at market rates. For this someone has to come up with a resource requirements list and then put it forward to the community who may choose to contribute towards it. Units can be A)Accountant B)Programmer C) infrastructure and with a set timeline, an opensource product can be achieved. Am sure there's a bunch of HNV individuals out there who wouldnt mind contributing big amounts provided they are shown a solid plan. Krishnakant has volunteered to be the pointman, which is great. Hope this time around, there can be a beta product by 2007 April and hopefully a full fledged app by 2008 april.

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Re: [OT] Chipset and Original Motherboard
by Vihan Pandey 14 Oct '06

14 Oct '06

Hi Kenneth, <snip> > > It's more important that one believes in the GNU philosophy and is > > aware of > > the differences between GNU and Linux > > i'm missing something here, is there anything different between the > GNU philosophy and linux philosophy? i was referring to the techinical difference between the GNU system and the Linux kernel. Regards, - vihan

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] need a tally alternative on gnu/linux.
by Abhishek Daga 14 Oct '06

14 Oct '06

<----- Original Message ----> From: krishnakant Mane <researchbase(a)gmail.com> To: "GNU/Linux Users Group, Mumbai, India" <linuxers(a)mm.glug-bom.org> Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2006 12:09:25 AM Subject: [ILUG-BOM] need a tally alternative on gnu/linux. hello jtd, Abhishek, kenneth and other friends on the list. I could have specially sent this email off list to those whose names I mentioned at the top. but I want more people to read this email for spreading awareness because what I am going to ask is a new subject for me as well. I need an accounting software that falls under the FOSS model. it should compeet with Talli so that even common business men will use it. </end of original> With easy-to-use desktop guis available now in the form of ubuntu and probably some others, (more printer drivers, usb hot plugging, oo 2.0, gaim... and so on), the only thing preventing the 100s of thousands of non technical, small business users is an accounting package that will work on *nix and is of the same level of ease of installation and use and support as Tally. Pretty much all of them are using pirated windows and pirated office and pirated anti virus and downtime is very high due to malware, adware, viruses. But they have no choice because of lack of accounting applications. The day we can give them such an app with assured support, will be big enough to be declared a public holiday.

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] need a tally alternative on gnu/linux.
by Abhishek Daga 14 Oct '06

14 Oct '06

<<<<<<<< ----- Original Message ---- From: Kenneth Gonsalves <lawgon(a)au-kbc.org> To: "GNU/Linux Users Group, Mumbai, India" <linuxers(a)mm.glug-bom.org> Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2006 9:36:22 AM Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] need a tally alternative on gnu/linux. ok - fair enough, question is: does the next avatar need to be gui or web? The underlying engine can support either or both. And incidently, the reason why progress is stalled is that i lack accounting domain knowledge to proceed - some one said, give me a lever and i will overturn the world. I say, give me an accountant and i will produce a kick-ass FA package. >>>>>>>>>>> The primary requirements are: a) Click Click type installation. If you know what i mean. b) Minimal use of the Mouse. ( I am using the new yahoo mail beta version with gallons of ajax. Ajax may hold the key) c) When printing reports etc, the formatting should be proper. Taking into account standard page sizes etc. Ofcourse, intuitiveness, easy upgrades, security, support are the other primary requirements. Gui interface is also OK, provided it will not have dependency issues with various *nix flavors. I tried using Kalculate, but it is locked down to its custom distro. at 12000 a pop for unlimited users, tally makes for a very compelling choice. (this does not include cost of windows XP/Server).

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RMS' visit to NIT Hamirpur
by Debarshi 'Rishi' Ray 13 Oct '06

13 Oct '06

Dr. Richard Matthew Stallman (http://stallman.org/) will be giving a public lecture in National Institute of Technology, Hamirpur, Himachal Pradesh on the 25th of October, 2006. The proposed topic for the talk is "Free Software, Free Society". This would take place immediately after Dr. Stallman is done with his talk in the Air Jaldi Summit (http://summit.airjaldi.com) in Dharamsala. There is no entry fee for attending the lecture. Everyone is invited. Anybody willing or able to make the trip are encouraged to drop in. RSVP: debarshi.ray(a)gmail.com arjunbs(a)nitham.ac.in Cheers, Debarshi -- Microsoft does have a Y2K problem... it's called GNU/Linux!

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Eudora mail client to be opensourced
by Harsh Busa 13 Oct '06

13 Oct '06

Eudora To Be Set Free The next version of Qualcomm's alternative e-mail client will be released as an open-source application built on the same code as Mozilla Thunderbird. http://blog.wired.com/monkeybites/2006/10/eudora_goes_ope.html -- __________________________ http://www.ebackend.com/blog

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Need help in configuring and building kernel 2.6.16.18
by The Xirtna 13 Oct '06

13 Oct '06

hi, I am reading the book Linux Device Drivers 3rd edition(alessandro rubini) ,in the second chapter about 'Building and Running Modules', the book says that : ------------------------- % make make[1]: Entering directory `/usr/src/linux-2.6.10' CC [M] /home/ldd3/src/misc-modules/hello.o Building modules, stage 2. MODPOST CC /home/ldd3/src/misc-modules/hello.mod.o LD [M] /home/ldd3/src/misc-modules/hello.ko make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/linux-2.6.10' % su root# insmod ./hello.ko Hello, world root# rmmod hello Goodbye cruel world root# Please note once again that , for the above sequence of commands to work,you must have a properly configured and built kernel tree in a place where the makefile is able to find it(/usr/src/linux-2.6.10 in the example shown). ---------------------------- what does it means to have a configured and built kernel? , does it mean that i need to compile the kernel? I have the source of kernel 2.6.16.18 in the /root directory, how do i configure and build it? Please help I am totally new to device drivers!

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Linus on Linux and the GPLv3
by Philip Tellis 13 Oct '06

13 Oct '06

http://lkml.org/lkml/2006/9/25/161 Interesting insights about licencing of the kernel.

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Linus on Linux and the GPLv3
by പ്രവീണ്‍‌|Praveen 13 Oct '06

13 Oct '06

2006/10/10, Mrugesh Karnik <mrugeshkarnik(a)gmail.com>: > If you have such issues, don't let people use > the tools. But again, that goes against freedom, doesn't it? What I hate about you FSF people is that you try and steal credit. I don't agee. What FSF is asking is the credit it rightly deserves. You > just said the same thing again... Use GNU in the name? WHY? Make up a > name that highlights freedom, _very very clearly_. GNU represents users freedom. Oh and mind you, you say GNU/Linux not GNU & Linux. The only place where > I've seen that second term used is on those stickers: > > "GNU + Linux, the dynamic duo". > > I think that's fair. Clearly states that Linux is a separate project. > GNU/Linux does not do that. May be you misunderstood. GNU/Linux is clear. May be GNU+Linux is clearer. > But, why not work in favor of FSF's interest, if FSF's > > agenda is to protect your and my freedom. When we are requesting > > people to adopt GPLv3, it is not to snatch anything from from you, > > but to prevent it from getting snatched. > > Highlight "request". I agree with Linus. If the kernel developers think > that GPL 3 is no good for the kernel, so be it. Let it be under GPL 2. > Why create an issue? Highlight "request". GPL protect users Freedom. So when we have threats (like software patents, DRM ...) to users freedom we need to defend it. GPLv3 is trying to cover some of the shortcomings of GPL v2. It has be around for 15 years and a lot of things has changed and new threats have come. So we need to equip ourselves for new conditions. Cheers Praveen -- "Value your freedom, or you will lose it, teaches history. `Don't bother us with politics', respond those who don't want to learn." -- Richard Stallman Me scribbles at http://www.pravi.co.nr

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challenge configuring pppoe, can some one help with following error messages?
by krishnakant Mane 13 Oct '06

13 Oct '06

hello all, I had previously posted this problem to ilug and got very good help from many. some one had asked me to post the log messages (I can't recall who it was, sorry ). so here is an abstract from my recent 3 days of usage. I have tried time and time again to connect over pppoe. my lan cards are eth 0 and eth1, but my internet cable is connected to eth1. here goes the log messages. Jan 1 14:59:29 csslab kernel: eth1: link up, 10Mbps, half-duplex, lpa 0x0000 Jan 1 14:59:29 csslab kernel: ip_tables: (C) 2000-2002 Netfilter core team Jan 1 14:59:29 csslab kernel: NET: Registered protocol family 10 Jan 1 14:59:29 csslab kernel: Disabled Privacy Extensions on device c039b000(lo) Jan 1 14:59:29 csslab kernel: IPv6 over IPv4 tunneling driver Jan 1 14:59:29 csslab pppd[7730]: pppd 2.4.3 started by root, uid 0 Jan 1 14:59:29 csslab pppd[7730]: Using interface ppp0 Jan 1 14:59:29 csslab pppd[7730]: Connect: ppp0 <--> /dev/pts/1 Jan 1 14:59:30 csslab pppd[7730]: Warning - secret file /etc/ppp/pap-secrets has world and/or group access Jan 1 15:00:00 csslab pppd[7730]: LCP: timeout sending Config-Requests Jan 1 15:00:04 csslab pppd[7730]: Modem hangup Jan 1 15:00:04 csslab pppd[7730]: Using interface ppp0 Jan 1 15:00:04 csslab pppd[7730]: Connect: ppp0 <--> /dev/pts/2 Jan 1 15:00:04 csslab pppd[7730]: Connection terminated. Jan 1 15:00:09 csslab pppd[7730]: Exit. as you might have noticed the connection times out. I don't know what is the actual problem. my eth 0 is used to connect another computer which is now shareing internet via windows. but that's not what I intend to do. never the less my eth 1 has internet cable connected and I had used ./go command to configure pppoe for the same lan card. I had configured it to come up on demand and had not specified the time for which the link should stay up. is that the problem? if that is the case, how do I answer the question asked by ./go command for "should the connection come up on demand?" or some thing similar? thanking all. Krishnakant.

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browser incompatibility: MTNL Trust line
by Abhishek Daga 13 Oct '06

13 Oct '06

I had to look up the mtnl trustline site for getting digital signatures. http://www.mtnltrustline.com/keygencheck.htm It does not work with firefox. What a bummer. An email pop3 client is required for using these signatures. They have explcitly mentioned OE. Does anyone know if they work with thunderbird or evolution? thanks abhishek

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] browser incompatibility: MTNL Trust line
by Amish Mehta 13 Oct '06

13 Oct '06

--- Abhishek Daga <abhishekdaga(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > I had to look up the mtnl trustline site for getting > digital signatures. > > http://www.mtnltrustline.com/keygencheck.htm > > It does not work with firefox. Not just mtnltrustline but MCA site does not work with firefox as well. So basically you need to: 1) Buy Windows XP 2) Use IE 6+ (with ActiveX enabled) > An email pop3 client is required for using these > signatures. They have explcitly mentioned OE. Does > anyone know if they work with thunderbird or > evolution? It works with Adobe reader v 7 on Linux though. And certificate is in standard format. So it should work with thunderbird. But wont be of much use as MTNL is NOT world recognised CA. MCA site is also insecure (uses http instead of https). Cookie is just simple JSESSIONID. Once your friendly neighbour sniffs it he gets access to your account. And guess what, this site is developed by TCS, leading software company of India. Totally not upto the mark or professional in my opinion. They have made it fully OS and browser dependent and unlikely that they would be interested in making it an independent one. Amish.

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Linus on Linux and the GPLv3
by Nagarjuna G. 12 Oct '06

12 Oct '06

2006/10/10, Abhishek Choudhary <choudhary(a)indicybers.net>: > Well why not "Linux/GNU" instead of "GNU/Linux"? Is it some age factor? :) > > All right, if you use Hurd then probably only GNU or Hurd/GNU! To be > clear, show me one machine that runs vanilla "GNU". Amusing right - you > might think I am a novice who does not know why one needs a kernel! If > _you_ do understand the need for a kernel then why emphasize that GNU is > an "Operating System" instead of claiming it to be what it actually is - a > wonderful "toolchain". > GNU is an operating system, and that is why the prooject talks of everything:kernel+userland+toolchain+desktop etc., GNU project is a comprehensive project. The kernel is still taking the first steps, falling now and then, the toddler way. This project did not start now, but in 1984. Why do you say it is JUST a tool chain, when you know that without it no free software can be made, maintained and distributed free. If you use 'JUST a x' to a dispensable thing, you may be right. Prove that it is dispensable. Kernel is indispensable, so we embrace all free kernels. > Well then GNU is indeed dependent on Linux, just as the latter is > dependent on it. Lets call a chair a chair and a table a table. that is why I called it symbiosis. we are not those who excluded it, the others did so. So tell them dependable core things cannot be excluded. > Then why does GPL tend to restrict it? Why are non-English versions of GPL > not officially available? (correct me if this is novice Q) Why does GPL > not address the issues regarding localisation? Why does GPL take away ones > rights to actually write prorietary code derived from it? Suicidal! Because, that kills freedom of others, and does not preserve the existing freedom. If we dont preserve existing GPL code, it does not stay, grow, multiply, and inherit. The restriction in GPL is intended to protect freedom from evaporating. Invention of copyleft is one of the greatest hacks of the last century, which made all this possible. Growth of freedom is possible only in a copyleft culture. In short, to protect the freedom. > (Forgive me if I > have touched on a painful nerve) There are numerous commercial software > vendors who use GNU software in their commercial stuff. For instance HP- > UX. All of us who have used it know the extent to which GNU is a part of > HP-UX. It suits HP's model. They are a hardware vendor, and make money > from hardware more than they do from software. However, think of a small > time developer. An individual who has his aspiations, dreams, wishes, and > a word in his heart which reads like "freedom". If he were to develop a > very niche piece of software, he would be forced to make public his source > code because he cannot use commercial tool-chain, and is therefore left > with GNU, which implies his code falls under the GPL license. Now whose > freedom are we talking about??? I am not clear. If he is the original author of the program, then he is free to decide. Please read http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.html > Please! Lets talk freedom - freedom as in free, lest freedom becomes the > next f-word! Look at the 95% of our population to whom all of this > discussion just does not make any sense. No not because it is not > relevant, but because it is in English! That is why, let us work hard to localize all applications to Indian languages, then 65% people will have potential access. > it!!!!!! Still not. Come on get down to producing some real work now. > Probably instead of keying in useless comments and counter comments, > concentrate on keying in at least a few lines of code. You will certainly > be helping FSF a lot more that way. And indeed if you also do something > for the 95% (which many of you involved in Indic localisation are actually > doing), then trust me you will also have done a lot of good > towards "Freedom". You are right, that is why I contribute to Indic-computing, as well as to another GNU project (GNOWSYS). Other projects that I contribute to are gnowledge.org, gnoware.org, the Indic fonts (Gargi, Samyak) and supervising several others. There are others in this list too who are active contributors. True, working is more fun. Nagarjuna

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Anybody has Freespire LIVE CD?
by Roshan 12 Oct '06

12 Oct '06

Hello list, Anyone who has tried Freespire LIVE CD, if available? Can someone burn a copy for me? -- http://360.yahoo.com/sriram4420 __________________________________________________________ Yahoo! India Answers: Share what you know. Learn something new http://in.answers.yahoo.com/

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[OT] A case of ransom.
by Rony 12 Oct '06

12 Oct '06

Hello All, I know a CA who uses a legal version of $ally 5.4. He cannot open data created by 7.2, so I asked him why does he not upgrade, since he is a legal user, upgrade must be free as in beer. He said that upgrade or new version costs the same. I feel, this is nothing but holding the customer to ransom as his clients' data made on 7.2 is as good as locked, till he buys the new version. While data created in 5.4 can be imported into 7.2, data created in 7.2 cannot be reverse ported on 5.4. What I want to know is that can 5.4 users legally force $ally to provide reverse portability into older versions as they are still legal? Regards, Rony. ___________________________________________________________ Win a BlackBerry device from O2 with Yahoo!. Enter now. http://www.yahoo.co.uk/blackberry

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How to do a minimal install?
by Aniket Suryavasnshi 12 Oct '06

12 Oct '06

Hello everybody! /Call from a student/ I'm following this group since quite a long time, and I've got many new things to learn from it even without asking. Thanks for it guys. Now I have a quite simple question. I want to install a light version of Linux. I want to just write C programs in it and run them. It could do without the GUI. I've heard that Linux can be installed by getting the kernel, libraries and tools of our choice separately and then compiled to form a complete OS. How can it be done? -- With eggs so cheap these days, there's no point running behind chicks! ;)

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Linus on Linux and the GPLv3
by Debarshi 'Rishi' Ray 12 Oct '06

12 Oct '06

>> This is just your assumption, who is asking any one to credit GNU for >> a non GNU project? The system is indeed GNU system with Linux as a >> kernel. When the kernel was completed, the only thing you need is to >> add is the GNU system to make it an OS. And the kernel was also >> completed using GNU tools. Under such a situation, why do you think >> we are asking for a thing that we didn't deserve? > Hehehe. Thank you. Exactly what I needed to hear from an FSF > representative. Now would you be so kind as to make sure everyone who > tries to spread GNU philosophy is clear upon this point? What do you mean? I think you never needed to hear anything from any FSF representative. You need to tender an apology. Pray do not start throwing mud around, and then do a 'hehehe'. Get me one GNU hacker who said Linux is owned by GNU. > I've had arguments with people about this, even during the RMS lecture. Pity, > for the lack of time on RMS' part meant that I couldn't bring up this > issue right there. Does not mean you level false charges and go 'hehehe'. > There goes Vihan's argument from the Andheri BoF. Granted that he did > not mean that GNU owned the kernel, but I suppose he has no right to > say this: > "But Linus himself uses GCC to build the kernel.." Eh? Why can not Vihan say so? Linus Torvalds said he could not have made Linux without GCC. He does say GCC is used to compile Linux. > Yes, well the point is, to a layman, who is completely new to this > world, the word GNU doesn't make any sense. Ok fine. So what makes sense? Linux? The X factor is it, eh? For all the reasoning, Linus Torvalds can be labelled as egoistic, if one went by the anti-FSF lobby. After all Linus named the kernel after himself, while Stallman never named GCC as 'Stallman Compiler Collection', Emacs as 'Stallman Editor', and the Free Software Movement as 'Stallman's Movement', and GNU as 'Stallman is Not Proprietary'. :-) But many GNU people do think Linux sounds cool, so why throw mud at GNU? Regards, Debarshi -- Microsoft does have a Y2K problem... it's called GNU/Linux!

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Re: Linus on Linux and the GPLv3
by Vihan Pandey 12 Oct '06

12 Oct '06

> To be very precise, there isn't a Free alternative to gcc yet. If the > GNU folks will continue with the whole GNU/Linux thing, I might just > get bugged enough to write a BSD licensed compiler. Does that mean you would have absolutely no problem at all in exploitative corporates taking your hard work, (sometimes) turning it into crap and making a huge pile of cash on it ? Talking about freedom and practicing it is not just a momentary thing but has to be a continuous and perpetual struggle. If we leave the option for people to take what they want and commercialise it, they will never bother about freedom and the cause is diminished. If the restriction of keeping the released work also free is put, it makes them at least consult lawyers and think on ``Why did this person/group decide to do things this way ?" and that is the beginning of victory because you start to make people think about things they otherwise take for granted. That's the stuff revolutions are made of. Then of course we are in a philosophical quandary of ``restricting freedom to preserve freedom". My simple answer to that is, GPL has proved that it CAN work and IS working. But my whole point is that GNU/Linux is pretty much useless to me. > Regardless of how essential gcc is. If the GNU project gets credits, > everyone else deserves the same amount of time. Hmm... is it not so that in all GNU projects painstaiking efforts are made to credit every single person who contributed to any project. In fact in the GNU C manual itself they are about 20 odd pages in the pdf crediting every person individually with the work they did. This includes BSD guys who did the BSD ports. This happens irrespective of what the personal beliefs are(i don't recall seeing a tag near anyone's name stating with GNU or without GNU :-) ) Therefore when credit is given to a community, it is every single individual that has worked who is actually credited. Moreover, and correct me if i'm wrong, but GNU was the first movement to credit every person involved with a software project in a public manner. Dispensing with the GPL? Definitely. Dispensing with the GNU project? > Right now, other than the compiler, what else do you need to get a full > BSD userland? My thesis is that Linux != GNU/Linux and there are other > projects which deserve equal time in the OS name. If you truely feel that way and are passionate about freedom, you could start a movement to do the same telling people that ``Zero restriction freedom is true freedom" and you could also perhaps call it GING(GING Is Not GNU) if you are not fond of G's, but love B's you could call it BING(BING Is Not GNU) which actually sounds quite neat :-) Regards, - vihan

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Re: Linus on Linux and the GPLv3
by Roshan 12 Oct '06

12 Oct '06

<removed all previous posts> Please do not take this post as sarcasm. It is a contemplation of the thread. <begin> Perhaps, we have exercised our ``freedom of speech'', to the best of our abilities. There have been only arguments and no consensus on why 'GNU/Linux' or 'Linux'. Let us give a new name based on Union in Set Theory in mathematics acceptable to both, GliNUx, *ONLY FOR THIS Mailing list* ;-) -- http://360.yahoo.com/sriram4420 __________________________________________________________ Yahoo! India Answers: Share what you know. Learn something new http://in.answers.yahoo.com/

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Re: Linus on Linux and the GPLv3
by Vihan Pandey 12 Oct '06

12 Oct '06

> No. I use enough BSD licensed software to know how the BSD community > works. > Given the popularity of web services, DRM and closed hardware (how many > people > here use nvidia's drivers?), I don't really the GPLv2 as giving a > specific advantage to end users. The one way to get around the > requirements for distributing source is not to distribute it at all, but > only provide public APIs (or protocols) to allow access to your code. We NEED to distribute source, just giving away API's sets a bad precedence for the project. If its an issue of source distribution, have you looked at Affero GPL ? Please note that I have no issues with commercialising code. Nor does > the FSF. Both of us have issues with closing source for the second level > of users. The _sole_ reason I would be using the BSD license would be > to keep the GNU zealots away. That's not really the right way to go. You have every right to criticize anyone but releasing software under BSD style license(for freedom) just because you disagree with/dislike GNU and what it stands for set's a bad precedent. Moreover you can say what you want, but history is not going to change because of that. We owe FSF/GNU for starting this value system, lets not forget that. For whenever man forgets freedom or descends into callousness, the end result is a tyrannical society which in the end ends up destroying itself, only to go back to the value system. And should I not then give equal credit to every project which has > contributed to my Linux system? Does that justify calling it "Linux" alone ? If you are are truely advocating giving credit to everyone call it GNU/Linux/Apache/_all_other_stuff_you_may_be_using When your BSD style licensed copiler does get finished and you are NOT AT ALL using ANY GNU tools nor follow the GNU philosophy. Please call your system whatever you want. Untill then you cannot simply dismiss GNU. Saying GNU/Linux deprives the other communities of that credit. Does that justify calling it "Linux" alone ? If you are are truely advocating giving credit to everyone call it GNU/Linux/Apache/_all_other_stuff_you_may_be_using deja vu . . . Regards, - vihan

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Linus on Linux and the GPLv3
by പ്രവീണ്‍‌|Praveen 12 Oct '06

12 Oct '06

2006/10/10, Mrugesh Karnik <mrugeshkarnik(a)gmail.com>: > > On Tuesday 10 October 2006 16:19, Nagarjuna G. wrote: > > > Tell me something. Some people who are 'fans' of GNU, go to such lengths > as to call all the software that's been licensed under the GPL, GNU > software. Now if I write some software and use GPL for it, I'd most > certainly not be willing to accredit it to GNU. Why should I? Like > Linux said, "Authors matter." By using the term GNU/Linux, it seems as > though Linux is just a part of the GNU project. It is not. Linux is not part of GNU project, that is why it is not GNU Linux (softwared from GNU project has names like that GNU Emacs, GNU grub, GNU compiler collection... ) GNU/Linux (pronounced GNU slash Linux) means GNU+Linux. Just because > someone uses your tools to build their own software does not mean that > you own that software. Linux developed a kernel and GNU project build tools around that is a wrong idea. If you had done some reasearch about the rigin you would have realised it. GNU project was started to build a complete Free Operating system and they started replacing parts of unix and they reached a point when they replaced most parts for a Unix like system except for the kernel. At that time Linux was not released and there were no kernels available as Free Software (the original BSD license was not Free Software) so they started building their own kernel replacement called Hurd. But when Linus Torva;ds released his kernel under GPL v2 it filled that gap and we didn't have to wait for Hurd to finish to have a complete Unix like system. So instead of adopting Linux as GNU's official kernel (since it tries to be upto Unix while hurd tries to improve upon Unix ideas) Linux was combined with the rest of the GNU system to make a comple Unix like Operating System and it is called GNU-slash-Linux clearly meaning GNU+Linux (as opposed to GNU Linux would mean GNU's version of Linux). GNU project gave creadit to linux as without it we would not have the complete system and it is an important contribution. Linus torvalds didn't write the system to have a complete Free Operating system, but it was started as a college project. The motivation is different that freedom. So when you remove GNU from picture the history is twisted. The reason why the Free Software movement was started not because programming was fun but because we respect users Freedom and there was no Free operating systems available, so we wrote one.

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[Commercial] Linux Device Driver 15 Oct, RTLinux 4 Nov
by hemendra jain 12 Oct '06

12 Oct '06

Hi All, We are going to commence our next batch as follows: Linux Device Driver: 15 Oct RTLinux : 4 Nov Rgds, Hemendra Jain (S N Embedded) 98205 65918

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Linus on Linux and the GPLv3
by Debarshi 'Rishi' Ray 12 Oct '06

12 Oct '06

> If they want free as in beer - tell them its free as in beer > if they want cheap - tell them its cheap > <snip> > and, if they want freedom - give them that too. > So far, i have yet to meet anyone asking for freedom. Give me freedom. What is software freedom? Can you tell me more and more about software freedom? I do not want to know about cheap prices. Maybe you have now know one person who asked for freedom. Regards, Debarshi -- Microsoft does have a Y2K problem... it's called GNU/Linux!

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Linus on Linux and the GPLv3
by Debarshi 'Rishi' Ray 12 Oct '06

12 Oct '06

> Linux said, "Authors matter." By using the term GNU/Linux, it seems as > though Linux is just a part of the GNU project. It is not. Just because > someone uses your tools to build their own software does not mean that > you own that software. If you have such issues, don't let people use > the tools. Please show me one GNU hacker who has said Linux belongs to GNU, or GNU owns Linux. If you can not, then tender an apology. > What I hate about you FSF people is that you try and steal credit. You > just said the same thing again... Use GNU in the name? WHY? Make up a > name that highlights freedom, _very very clearly_. What about this? "One CD-ROM vendor found that in their ``Linux distribution'', GNU software was the largest single contingent, around 28% of the total source code, and this included some of the essential major components without which there could be no system. Linux itself was about 3%. So if you were going to pick a name for the system based on who wrote the programs in the system, the most appropriate single choice would be ``GNU''." Read http://www.gnu.org/gnu/linux-and-gnu.html for more. Does Apache and Mozilla come any way near to the contribution of the GNU Project towards Linux? Regards, Debarshi -- Microsoft does have a Y2K problem... it's called GNU/Linux!

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Linux home server
by Dinesh Joshi 11 Oct '06

11 Oct '06

Hi list :) As many of you may be aware, I run my own home server. It does everything from backing up, firewalling, filesharing (intranet), print support, ICS, web development ( PHP, MySQL, Apache etc... nothing major ) and the list goes on... The problem was and is that I am using antiquated hardware ( P1 and the likes ) and its giving me a hard time now. The hardware is about 10 years old and its time that it rests peacefully. So, now I want to replace it with a nice power efficient, low to about average processing power machine. The major constraints being that it should run cool and must be cost effective. I know that VIA processors are some of the best when it comes to power efficiency. They also make small boards ( ITX? ) which have smaller formfactor than the regular uATX boards. So can someone suggest me a config which will cost about Rs.5000 for CPU / Motherboard / RAM ( 256MB ) and may be a harddisk to go with it? I know its difficult but is anything possible which comes close to my requirements? Atleast point me in the right direction, I'll search out my goal ;) One last thing, it should be available in India, specifically on Lamington road :P TIA :) -- Dinesh A. Joshi

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Report of BoF on wiki
by Roshan 11 Oct '06

11 Oct '06

Hello All, I have posted a report on the BoF held on 5th October 2006, on the wiki. It is available on the following URL. http://db.glug-bom.org/wiki/index.php/Report051006 Mr. Rony and Mr. Krishnakant, please go through it and suggest if any changes have to be made. I had a great pleasure meeting Mr. Krishnakant again, and Mr. Rony for the first time. Birds of the same feather flock together! __________________________________________________________ Yahoo! India Answers: Share what you know. Learn something new http://in.answers.yahoo.com/

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Vista's bad, GNU/Linux's good?
by Roshan 11 Oct '06

11 Oct '06

Hello all, http://linuxhelp.blogspot.com/2006/10/here-is-why-anti-piracy-technology.ht… After reading this article, one would probably, see the future desktops with a cool background, and Mozilla Firefox dominating the browsing etiquettes. Really? Yesterday's BoF had a converstation about this. When Mr. Krishnakant suggested that this (Vista's anti-piracy policy would be good for Linux distros) would happen, but wouldn't Crackers break those policies? (as also stated by Mr. Rony) __________________________________________________________ Yahoo! India Answers: Share what you know. Learn something new http://in.answers.yahoo.com/

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using already blocked device
by Harshal 11 Oct '06

11 Oct '06

hi, is there a way i can use a device blocked by one program, if required by another prog.? the situation is like this, i am running skype on linux and at the same time i want to play xmms for some songs, (i can do it in windows, skype and winamp together so i hear the person as well as some music in backgrond.) to my knowledge i dont think its possible in linux, but just wanting to wish the i am wrong ;-)

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Opterom mobo {ot]
by jtd 11 Oct '06

11 Oct '06

Any recomendations on opteron mobos and cpu -- Rgds JTD

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using USB to IDE converters with gnu/linux
by krishnakant Mane 11 Oct '06

11 Oct '06

hello, this might be slightly off topic I am marking the off topic part of this email with <ot> and ending with <noot> because the OT part will be most interesting to people like JTD in particular. <ot> I have a 40 g ide hard disk and I am aware that there are USB to IDE converters available. my idea was to convert this IDE hard disk to an external USB hard disk. how viable is this? I know that the power would be a problem, correct me if I am wrong jtd. but USB pen drives and external hard disks are all powered from the USB port itself. please suggest me if this is possible. <noot> now on to the gnu/linux specifrics. if my above idea is viable, will my hard disk be sda or hda? how will it be mounted? and if I want to load a complete operating system like debian, will it be possible? regards. Krishnakant.

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DSL on old computer configurations
by Roshan 11 Oct '06

11 Oct '06

A few days back, I gave DSL on a RW to my cousin. He has an old machine whose specs are: Intel Celeron Processor 466 MHz Creative 52X CD-ROM 128 MB RAM Micro ATX External Sound Card. I asked him to boot DSL and the computer was successfully able to boot DSL. However, his desktop was not enhanced with regular Icons, leaving him a bit clueless. I explained him how to start applications and minor details. However, when he mounted his drive, and started playing songs, a few minutes later, his computer started to restart on its own. Is even DSL too hungry on resources? or is it because of the old computer? (Its almost 7 years old). I have not been able to boot Knoppix on his computer. -- http://360.yahoo.com/sriram4420 __________________________________________________________ Yahoo! India Answers: Share what you know. Learn something new http://in.answers.yahoo.com/

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Re: Linus on Linux and the GPLv3 (Mrugesh Karnik)
by Vihan Pandey 11 Oct '06

11 Oct '06

> From: Mrugesh Karnik <mrugeshkarnik(a)gmail.com> > To: "GNU/Linux Users Group, Mumbai, India" <linuxers(a)mm.glug-bom.org> > Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2006 21:45:43 +0530 > Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] Linus on Linux and the GPLv3 > On Tuesday 10 October 2006 21:02, Nagarjuna G. wrote: > > 2006/10/10, Mrugesh Karnik <mrugeshkarnik(a)gmail.com>: > > > On Tuesday 10 October 2006 16:19, Nagarjuna G. wrote: > > GNU doesn't own any software, GNU is software. GNU is not a person, > > not a company, so the ownership issue doesn't arise. > > There goes Vihan's argument from the Andheri BoF. Granted that he did > not mean that GNU owned the kernel, but I suppose he has no right to > say this: > > "But Linus himself uses GCC to build the kernel.." Mrugesh, the context was in terms of ``credit is given where credit is due and reciprocating". If you are quoting anyone, please mention the`complete' context in which the statement was made. Regards, - vihan

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Re: cdrecord 2.0
by Roshan 10 Oct '06

10 Oct '06

Dinesh Joshi Wrote: > You have a deathwish or what? lol :) hehe...no.. >Its easier to > migrate your system > to debian than to recompile the kernel. Seriously > speaking, its not > that tough to recompile it but it takes a lot of > time and effort. Its > just not worth it, atleast for end users. I have this thought in my mind to compile a kernel, because, one of my cousin brother suggested that I should surely try it out. He said, "it is great fun". But for sometime(or for a longtime), I won't be trying it out. (till I complete my PG) I would however, be migrating to Kubuntu, as soon as I purchase a new hdd. > But if > your requirements is > to run RH9 then there are some premade upgrades. You > can check them > out. But they are unoffical ones so you gotta be > careful. :) My system is older than one would think. One could also compare it as having Windows 98 on a Intel 915 / P4 3.06 Ghz with 512 MB of RAM ;)...(I donno, whether it works too..:-/)... I have been upgrading only Firefox on RH9. Rest, remain as they were from CD, as they serve my needs best. -- http://www.linuxreality.com (Podcasts also for LINUX USERS) __________________________________________________________ Yahoo! India Answers: Share what you know. Learn something new http://in.answers.yahoo.com/

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Linux as a status symbol.
by Rony 10 Oct '06

10 Oct '06

Hello All, At the Five Gardens BoF, I had mentioned about companies using Linux as a status symbol, thus helping in the spread of Linux. Suppose every company that completely uses Linux announces in its ad "We are proud to announce that our organization is completely running on Linux" Then the ad says, "Why Linux" it goes on "Because linux has proved to be very secure and stable and is immune to ...blah blah" Another case. I don't know if there is anything like an IT insurance but if such a thing comes up, Linux enabled companies would have to pay lesser premium as their systems are anyway more secure. Those who use less secure ;) systems pay more premium as they carry a higher risk. If you can think of more such ideas please post them. This will bring about a positive effect on how Linux is viewed, like a high standard, difficult to achieve but something that carries a lot of weight and gains. Is there any independent IT or systems security certification that companies can adopt? If it doesn't exist, can some organizations in India start it? I am sure Linux will stand first in every security test. 'Other' insecure systems can be given the low grade. Regards, Rony. ___________________________________________________________ The all-new Yahoo! Mail goes wherever you go - free your email address from your Internet provider. http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html

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24 Online cyberoam client
by Sumit Punglia 10 Oct '06

10 Oct '06

Hi Finally successful to run net via linux thru RajASS Cablenet. After a lots of fight with linc.sourceforge which didn't worked for me. Finally the solution came to my mind. You have to run crclient by root. By the way any of you have tried setting up an home network. Which hub etc. to be used and how much does it cost ? How many extra problems arises with RajASS cablenet. --Pungi

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linux debate
by BombayNews 10 Oct '06

10 Oct '06

wonder why techies on this forum debating on taking linux to the people devote much time on the free/open source issue. Outside the rarefied world of coders working on linux this debate is completely meaningless. The wo/man on the street needs an OS that is stable, gets the work done without much ado and preferably free. Could linuxers focus on this? Getting such a hassle-free system on the desktops of people intending to migrate out of the Windows environment would be the clearest test for taking Linux to the masses. Shiv Kumar

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Re: cdrecord 2.0
by Roshan 10 Oct '06

10 Oct '06

Devdas Bhagat Wrote: > In kernels 2.4 and below, you need to turn on SCSI > emulation (ide-scsi). Ah! Now, I know, why I shouldn't be using Redhat Linux 9.0 or atleast learn to compile a new kernel. ;) > In 2.6, just pass cdrecord the ATA device. > > cdrecord dev=/dev/hdc foo.iso I'll see if I can try this over Kubuntu, when I install it after some weeks. (or FC5) Vihan Wrote: > Consequently cdrw tools became the norm for CD > writing. and they use cdrecord internally and emulate IDE-SCSI for ATAPI drives. (Correct me if I am wrong) Faraz Shahbazker Wrote: > On Debian Sarge this is documented in detail at: > /usr/share/doc/cdrecord/README.ATAPI.setup Hey, thanks for this. I don't know why, but I always forget that there is this directory where most of the packages, that I have installed, have its documentation. I have got a similar file (README.ATAPI), that has helped me understand more details. Thanks! (to all the three of you!) -- http://www.linuxreality.com (Podcasts also for LINUX USERS) __________________________________________________________ Yahoo! India Answers: Share what you know. Learn something new http://in.answers.yahoo.com/

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Linus on Linux and the GPLv3
by Abhishek Choudhary 10 Oct '06

10 Oct '06

Well why not "Linux/GNU" instead of "GNU/Linux"? Is it some age factor? :) All right, if you use Hurd then probably only GNU or Hurd/GNU! To be clear, show me one machine that runs vanilla "GNU". Amusing right - you might think I am a novice who does not know why one needs a kernel! If _you_ do understand the need for a kernel then why emphasize that GNU is an "Operating System" instead of claiming it to be what it actually is - a wonderful "toolchain". If it is the concept of userland / toolchain / original credit then let it be "Linux/GNU". The Linux kernel, and probably even the BSD kernels, have had a major role to play in making the "GNU" userland available to non- techie users - lets say non computer scientists. So ultimately what FSF is trying to emphasize is probably that even though your machines' resources are being handled by Linux or some other kernel, it is actually the GNU tool chain that the user is using right from the level of the shell (GNU bash). Well then GNU is indeed dependent on Linux, just as the latter is dependent on it. Lets call a chair a chair and a table a table. Now, if you are even slightly convinced read on, or else send in a deluge of bandwidth blocking replies which ultimately serve no purpose towards user empowerment, without reading any further. Lets get things clear and straight - I am one of the greatest fans of RMS. Being a compilers enthusiast myself RMS is like a God considering his contributions begining with Bison and the GPL philosophy. Yes the GPL philosophy and just the license. And that philosophy is "freedom". Then why does GPL tend to restrict it? Why are non-English versions of GPL not officially available? (correct me if this is novice Q) Why does GPL not address the issues regarding localisation? Why does GPL take away ones rights to actually write prorietary code derived from it? (Forgive me if I have touched on a painful nerve) There are numerous commercial software vendors who use GNU software in their commercial stuff. For instance HP- UX. All of us who have used it know the extent to which GNU is a part of HP-UX. It suits HP's model. They are a hardware vendor, and make money from hardware more than they do from software. However, think of a small time developer. An individual who has his aspiations, dreams, wishes, and a word in his heart which reads like "freedom". If he were to develop a very niche piece of software, he would be forced to make public his source code because he cannot use commercial tool-chain, and is therefore left with GNU, which implies his code falls under the GPL license. Now whose freedom are we talking about??? The big companies who will not waste any time in consuming his code into their commercial software. (Ah well - I have heard that "joke" about every software gets its economic worth! It happens in a developed nation but not where people cut short a day's meal to one, or maybe fast, to pay their computer institute fees.) Please! Lets talk freedom - freedom as in free, lest freedom becomes the next f-word! Look at the 95% of our population to whom all of this discussion just does not make any sense. No not because it is not relevant, but because it is in English! Just as a piece of _information_, the Indian copyright laws give the copyright to the translator if the original author did not publish the Indian language version of her work. The time probably is not far when this 95% super-majority will get tired of our useless musings and revolt, and convert the existing GNU source code to Indic programming languages, and yes get the copyright. Get it!!!!!! Still not. Come on get down to producing some real work now. Probably instead of keying in useless comments and counter comments, concentrate on keying in at least a few lines of code. You will certainly be helping FSF a lot more that way. And indeed if you also do something for the 95% (which many of you involved in Indic localisation are actually doing), then trust me you will also have done a lot of good towards "Freedom". Regards, Abhishek

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Re: Linus on Linux and the GPLv3
by Vihan Pandey 10 Oct '06

10 Oct '06

> Mrugesh, when YOU create something YOU are the copyrite holder and that is > unquestionable. You will be credited no matter what. The question is if one > ``truly" believes in a community spirit you name it something consistent > with it. That's probably why GNU C is not called "the Stallman compiler" but > it could have if the person concerned put his ego before the > community(``unlike" some people). Moreover on top of that claiming that you > are a champion of digital rights is ludicrous. > > Stallman could have even trademarked Emacs, GNU C, GDB, > Bison(co-trademarking ?) with each news/magazine/web pages advertising "XYZ > is Trademark of Richard Stallman". > > What I hate about you FSF people is that you try and steal credit. You > > just said the same thing again... Use GNU in the name? WHY? Make up a > > name that highlights freedom, _very very clearly_. > > > Any suggestions? By the way in Revolution OS Linus himself said he wanted > to call it Freeix, but he ``wasn't that egoistic then". > > Oh and mind you, you say GNU/Linux not GNU & Linux. The only place where > > I've seen that second term used is on those stickers: > > "GNU + Linux, the dynamic duo". > > I think that's fair. Clearly states that Linux is a separate project. > > GNU/Linux does not do that. > > > By the way those stickers are courtesy FSF. Also, during Stallman's recent > talk there were a few badges given out to the lucky few who came in first > and grabbed them :-) with The GNU, Tux and Beastie on them crediting FSF, > Linux and FreeBSD. FSF has never for a second ``forgotten" Linux, RMS has > repeatedly stated in countless speeches that a kernel was the need of the > day and Linus fulfilled it at the right time. But how often is the reverse > done? > > Highlight "request". I agree with Linus. If the kernel developers think > > that GPL 3 is no good for the kernel, so be it. Let it be under GPL 2. > > Why create an issue? Highlight "request". > > > Do ALL the developers agree? If they do then as they are the copyrite > holders they have every right to put it ``all of it" under GPL v2. If there > are developers who think different and hold a copyrite on certain modules > they could just as well go in for GPL v3. > > Again, no intention of a flame war. But if you are going to use sentences > like ``hate about you FSF people" i doubt if i could just sit by. > > Regards, > > - vihan >

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Re: Linus on Linux and the GPLv3
by Roshan 10 Oct '06

10 Oct '06

"Dinesh Shah" Wrote: > Hi Roshan, Hello :) > Ubuntu should be considered as a business in > "Investment Phase", where > business invests to create it's market share. I had > a long discussion > with Mark Shuttleworth on this when he was in India. But its webpages and the CD-covers state that Ubuntu will be always free of charge (no money, free). So did he mean, that the software is going to cost money once, it acquires a greater market share? > This is termed as "Donation Economy". However, I am > not in favour of > such an economy. Such a economy is not sustainable > over long period of > time. I too think how can it be sustainable. But, hasn't the FSF proved it to be? -- http://www.linuxreality.com (Podcasts also for LINUX USERS) __________________________________________________________ Yahoo! India Answers: Share what you know. Learn something new http://in.answers.yahoo.com/

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Re: Linus on Linux and the GPLv3
by Roshan 10 Oct '06

10 Oct '06

Mrugesh Karnik Wrote: > What I hate about you FSF people is that you try and > steal credit. You > just said the same thing again... Use GNU in the > name? WHY? Make up a > name that highlights freedom, _very very clearly_. > Oh and mind you, you say GNU/Linux not GNU & Linux. > The only place where > I've seen that second term used is on those > stickers: > > "GNU + Linux, the dynamic duo". > > I think that's fair. Clearly states that Linux is a > separate project. > GNU/Linux does not do that. Warning: I am not doing *ga ga gee gee over*(spouting), in favour of either the GNU or FSF or Linus Torvalds. After reading documents at http://www.gnu.org, its understood, Mr. Richard Stallman acknowledges Linus's effort and therefore, the name GNU/Linux. The use of GNU/Linux implicitly indicates, GNU plus Linux or GNU+Linux. I somehow feel, it still indicates, Linux is a great project. It clearly distinguished the credit of Linus and also maintained the credibility of GNU itself. If Linus Torvalds deserves a better credit, name it Linux/GNU. Linus in his first email, had mentioned, that it is not going to be as big as the GNU (or as professional as it it). He believes, that the kernel code was meant to be distributed free of cost (and nothing related to freedom). The GNU team, was lucky enough to be successful in obtaining the Linux Kernel, and serving it as their core kernel for the entire GNU operating system. -- http://www.linuxreality.com (Podcasts also for LINUX USERS) __________________________________________________________ Yahoo! India Answers: Share what you know. Learn something new http://in.answers.yahoo.com/

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Re: Linus on Linux and the GPLv3
by Roshan 10 Oct '06

10 Oct '06

Rony wrote: > In case of the former, one can charge any X amount > from the client for > making a customized package. > > But in the latter, suppose I make a CAD software > thats very good and > works just like the popular closed CAD software. I > post it on the net > under GPL and keep a price of some 100s of dollars. > Now some smart alec > who is out to ruin my business compiles my code and > even acknowledges my > good work and puts the package on the net for a free > download. He is > doing a perfectly legal thing as the GPL allows > this. So how do I run my > company when my work is available to others for free > as in beer. When we consider such a scenario, the ratio of developers / programmers and customers (or end users) would result to less than 1 (< 1). By this, I mean, there are far more end-users than developers and programmers. Again, if smart alec, put its on the internet, there would some investment, that would make him re-consider, putting it for free. Secondly, he would have to invest in advertising that he's put your software as free download. Considering the cost of $100, it would also indicate that you have some amount invested in good advertising and that your software is under GPL. Even then considering the worst case scenario, Vinayak Suggested: > 4) Dual licensing source code for commercial use (one of his points). I found the following page descirbing dual licensing http://www.oss-watch.ac.uk/resources/duallicence2.xml What Ubuntu does is, despite that it sends CD's for free (no cost) to anybody who demands its, provides supports for Ubuntu OS at desktop and server levels. But this in turn indicates, that much of the Free software over the internet are indeed, also, free as in bear, especially Linux distros. Where is the source of money for maintaining mirrors / servers for ISO's of these distros? __________________________________________________________ Yahoo! India Answers: Share what you know. Learn something new http://in.answers.yahoo.com/

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Livecd distro or alternative required
by Krishna Dagli/Krushna Dagli 09 Oct '06

09 Oct '06

> > Hi > I am working from a hotel room and have good amount of spare time on > weekends. > Can anyone suggest a suitable linux live cd whereby i can work on linux > and > save documents on to my laptop and most important > learn programming. I am on a ibm t41 laptop. I have some books from where > I > can learn programming > > any other alternative similar to livecd also will be useful > > Ninad Use vmware or something so you will not have problem of something missing from the Live Cd and why not dual boot laptop? HTH -Krishna

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Is Open Source safer than Closed Source?
by Sujeet Bhatt 09 Oct '06

09 Oct '06

Business Week Online Insecurity in Open Source What open-source developers can learn about security and quality from—gasp—makers of proprietary software OCTOBER 6, 2006 Viewpoint By Ben Chelf Debates over what methods result in the best software often pit those who favor an open-source approach against proponents of proprietary, or closed-source, development. Conventional wisdom holds that open-source software should have fewer security flaws than proprietary software. With more eyes able to look at the underlying source code, bugs should be found and squashed much faster. But when software security and quality really matter—like crossing the Atlantic on a jet airliner—trust me, you want to fly proprietary. That conclusion is based on my company's involvement in testing of software security and quality. Working with the Homeland Security Dept. and Stanford University, my firm, Coverity, has closely analyzed 50 of the most popular open-source software projects, scanning more than 20 million lines of code daily. We publish those results here on the Web. BUG TO BUG COMPARISON. For the first time, we've compared those results with proprietary software from more than 100 different companies, including some of the best-known names in aerospace, financial services, software, and telecommunications—more than 60 million lines of code all together. In our research using automatic bug-hunting technology, no open-source project we analyzed had fewer software defects (per thousand lines of code) than the top-of-the-line closed-source application. That proprietary code, written for an aerospace company, is better than the best in open source—more than five times better, in fact. That company's software won't let you down when you're flying from New York to London. Of the more than 150 open-source and proprietary software applications that we have analyzed in this study, closed-source software code grabbed 11 of the top 15 spots for the highest quality and security. Full at: http://www.businessweek.com/technology/content/oct2006/tc20061006_394140.ht…

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cdrecord 2.0
by Roshan 09 Oct '06

09 Oct '06

I don't know much about cdrecord, and its man pages specify only SCSI drives for writing to CD. Is it so, that cdrecord is one of the command line options only for *SCSI* optical drives? (CD Writers) I currently use K3b to write CD's, but wanted to try out cdrecord, and it seems as if there's no ATA support with it, is it? -- I am a novice, and still learing __________________________________________________________ Yahoo! India Answers: Share what you know. Learn something new http://in.answers.yahoo.com/

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Re: cdrecord 2.0 (Roshan)
by Vihan Pandey 09 Oct '06

09 Oct '06

> > From: Roshan <d_rosh2001(a)yahoo.co.in> > To: Linux User group <linuxers(a)mm.glug-bom.org> > Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2006 14:29:39 +0100 (BST) > Subject: [ILUG-BOM] cdrecord 2.0 > I don't know much about cdrecord, and its man pages > specify only SCSI drives for writing to CD. > > Is it so, that cdrecord is one of the command line > options only for *SCSI* optical drives? (CD Writers) > > I currently use K3b to write CD's, but wanted to try > out cdrecord, and it seems as if there's no ATA > support with it, is it? pre kernel 2.6 CD writing ``requires" a SCSI device or SCSI emulation. This was mainly because ATAPI support was not present in the IDE driver. This has been corrected in kernel 2.6 onwards. You can very well use cdrecord, provided you have SCSI emulation enabled. Consequently cdrw tools became the norm for CD writing. Regards, - vihan

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[Commercial]Share Your Views With LFY
by Niraj Sahay 09 Oct '06

09 Oct '06

Hello All, Greetings from the LINUX For You magazine team! As you all know, we run a section called 'Opinions' in LFY where we pose a question to the community and industry and publish the top five responses (selected by our technical editors) in the magazine. Thanks to all those who responded to the last month's question. The best among the responses received have been published in the October 2006 issue of LFY. This month we have chosen the topic: "Intellectual Property Rights - boon or bane?" What's your take on this? Our eyes and ears are wide open and we are waiting to listen to your ideas. Please write to us at sujata.banerjee(a)efyindia.com with a CC to atul(a)efyindia.com, before 12th October 2006. The top five responses will be published in the November 2006 issue of LINUX for You. Look forward to your responses. Thanks, Sujata Banerjee, Editorial Coordinator, LFY Atul Goel, Asst. Associate Editor, LFY

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Re: Linux as a status symbol.
by Roshan 09 Oct '06

09 Oct '06

Rony Wrote: > Just curious to know, do the colleges use the WGA > programme and keep > their college pcs up to date with the latest > critical updates? My college has its server running Windows 2003 and all thick clients with Windows XP. Of them, some have Windows Update turned on, while some don't. In previous years, there have been viruses spreading all over the network. Now, things have changed a bit. We already have one AMC Engineer, but I think, we need one more. http://360.yahoo.com/sriram4420 __________________________________________________________ Yahoo! India Answers: Share what you know. Learn something new http://in.answers.yahoo.com/

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radio guided sign post forgotten!
by krishnakant Mane 09 Oct '06

09 Oct '06

hello all, seams the project for radio guided sign post is not on the minds of any of the members out here. what should be our next step. we had the meeting rather two meetings and the project seams to have stopped at that point. jtd, could you please email me off the list and provide your contact number. I had lost it some time back. anurag had given some nice ideas in the meeting at HBCSE and I think we can start with it for a simple system. anurag please comment on this. the bar code reading was also a good idea to do a prototype at a very cheep rage. Krishnakant.

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Re: Linus on Linux and the GPLv3
by Roshan 08 Oct '06

08 Oct '06

Philip Tellis Wrote: > http://lkml.org/lkml/2006/9/25/161 > Interesting insights about licencing of the kernel. Seems as if the FSF gained a control over Linus and forced the name GNU/Linux. What RMS said in his public lecture was, that they had to build an operating system and they had started developing components for it. They were left alone without the kernel and luckily, they could find Linus, who was ready to give away the source code of the kernel he developed. Therefore, the GNU project was successful in completion of an Operating System with Linux as its kernel. I had always thought of any Linux distro, the entire operating system, as GNU/Linux and Linux as the kernel of this OS. GNU/Linux because, most of the the application programs that I used were "FREE" software. For newbies like me, the above mentioned link would resort to more discussions and arguments over an active mailing list like GLUG-BOM! __________________________________________________________ Yahoo! India Answers: Share what you know. Learn something new http://in.answers.yahoo.com/

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Re: Report of BoF on wiki
by Roshan 08 Oct '06

08 Oct '06

Kenneth Gonsalves Wrote: > the andheri bof was great - Roshan, > please post the > minutes of that too. As requested, I have posted it on the wiki and is accessible at the following URL. (3rd October 2006) http://db.glug-bom.org/wiki/index.php/Report031006 If there are corrections, please notify me. Rony Wrote: >When was the Andheri BOF announced on this list? It wasn't announced. Why? I hope, the report answers this question. __________________________________________________________ Yahoo! India Answers: Share what you know. Learn something new http://in.answers.yahoo.com/

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Re: Vista's bad, GNU/Linux's good?
by Roshan 08 Oct '06

08 Oct '06

Dinesh Joshi, is specifying GNU/Linux users to be a friend of Linux distros and _not_ an enemy of Microsoft Windows. Otoh, those who are bashing Windows, say that because, places where Windows should *not* have been the OS on computer, it still is. Both are correct in their own ways. For people who have been using computers and been in this field for serveral years (from 1992 onwards), would say primarily target Microsoft Windows because, that year saw the rise of Windows 3.1. and the success followed, though Microsoft had worse legal battles in its early years. RMS's essays in those days too had bits and pieces of Microsoft's software products, as evident on the GNU's website. However, the list members may use a more generic term "Non-free Software", but again, it wouldn't actually mean that all non-free software is really bad (SUN?) __________________________________________________________ Yahoo! India Answers: Share what you know. Learn something new http://in.answers.yahoo.com/

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anti-piracy tool in Vista offers Window of opportunity for Linux
by BombayNews 07 Oct '06

07 Oct '06

Dear all, I think the anti-piracy tool in Vista offers a Window of opportunity for supporters of Linux. Rather than bung in a long post here, I have detailed post on my blogs: www.bombaywatcher.sulekha.com www.bombaywatcher.blogspot.com Shiv Kumar

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Re:pppoe inconsistency problem.
by अिनकॆत (Aniket) 06 Oct '06

06 Oct '06

> hello, > I had configured roring penguine yesterday with the help of rony. > it worked yesterday. > I had configured it with ./go and it asked me the eth interface I gave > it the right one. > then it asked me the username and password. after that it asked me if > I want it it to come up on demand and also the time for which I want > it to stay up. > I said yes I want it on demand. > but I did not specify the amount of time I want it to be up. > yesterday it was working fine but today it is not working. > it is starting properly with pppoe-start but it is not connecting to > the internet. > Krishnakant. When you connect like this, all logs are saved to /var/log/messages post these messages here ,so we can debug it -- The Future is Open...The Future is LINUX

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Re: A Desktop Concept
by Vivek Rai 06 Oct '06

06 Oct '06

> True but this graphical no-window animated desktop ( From now on, lets > term this desktop as Animated Desktop ) will fill the gap between users > and non-users. I totally agree with you. I remember seeing something similar in an 1996 compaq PC (with win 95).. basically, on top of the OS, compac had some layer which provided that kind of an easy interface.. i dont know the full details... but my cousin's computer illiterate family realy used to prefer that over navigating complex menus... A primary Fitts' law on UI design is about making targets easy to acquire .. all menu based navigations violate that .. and can be surprisingly complex for newbies. > India still has a lot of scope for adding new users who > otherwise keep away from PCs. This is also aimed at helping senior > citizens. It is not meant to be used in a professional environment. In > linux we have the facility of switching desktops so by default the new > animated desktop automatically starts and when an advanced user from the > same family wants to sit on the pc, he/she will switch to the normal > desktop till the machine reboots again. In windows we can't do that so > we got an edge over them. I agree, FLOSS can gain significant market share and penetration in the currently untapped markets like India where many middle class or elderly people are still not using computers because of accessiblity/localization issues. What you are asking for is a really nice idea, but I think we can create some easy solutions within existing and popular linux desktop environments.. hence maintaining compatiblity.. for example, Is this close to what you are talking about? http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=29692 or maybe you can use this as a starting point, and amend it suitably in any way you deem fit. maybe there are simlar ideas on having some kisk mode "animated desktop" on gnome/xfce too.. ? otherwise, multiple desktops also give us an ability to configure the UI in any way.. for example we can rename desktop 1,2,3,4 to somethng like multimedia, internet, Office, games.. etc.. and then have very large and visible, easily identifiable, relevant icons on each of them.. (just an idea)

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NFS mount problem between 2.6.17-3 and 2.4.24
by jtd 06 Oct '06

06 Oct '06

sarge with linux-2.6.17-3 as an nfs server. Another machine with woody and linux-24.4.24 fails to mount the exports from the sarge machine. mount simply hangs without errors. syslog on sarge says "rpc.mountd: authenticated mount request from xxx.yyy.zz.aa:868 for /xxyyzz (/xxyyzz)" tried rpc.mountd with --no-nfs-version 3. any ideas? -- Rgds JTD

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Fwd: [Announce] Suse Users Group
by Nosferatu!!! 06 Oct '06

06 Oct '06

---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: XXXXXX XXXXXX <xxxxxxx(a)novell.com> Date: Oct 5, 2006 4:42 PM Subject: Suse Users Group To: Xxxxxx Xxxxxx <XXxxxxx.PRV1-2.PROVO1(a)novell.com> Hi All , This is a mail I have received from Prakash Advani , I would encourage every one to Join and share with others >>>Prakash Advani 10/05/06 4:13 PM >>> I have setup a SUSE Users group, please signup for this.. this is an external list for users. http://forge.novell.com/mailman/listinfo/slug-general ----- End forwarded message ----- -- The lawgiver, of all beings, most owes the law allegiance. He of all men should behave as though the law compelled him. But it is the universal weakness of mankind that what we are given to administer we presently imagine we own. -- H. G. Wells Visit http://www.userfriendly.org

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Livecd distro or alternative required
by Krishna Dagli/Krushna Dagli 06 Oct '06

06 Oct '06

>Can I use qemu and run a minimum linux distro only command line will do >Dual booting is out of question as it is a company laptop. >I have good time during the weekend It all depends on what you want to do: Have you looked at Cygwin? Both Qemu and VMware will work and if required will give you complete linux environment but remember these are heavy on resources. HTH -Krishna

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Re: A Desktop Concept
by Vivek Rai 05 Oct '06

05 Oct '06

> email program too was difficult to navigate as it had a lot of options > and buttons. Thats definitely a problem with MANY user interfaces .. too much functionality is exposed at the top level itself.. also sometimes, the symbols (e.g. a US style mailbox in some email apps) are not universal. Which is why, people should not view localization of software as purely an excercise in translation, but also think of "tran slating" other visual elements, icons etc. > This kept me thinking about a desktop thats totally different from the > current windows clones and is totally a reflection of real life. > So how about a totally different desktop that actually looks like a real > life situation. For example, it will have simple but large and realistic > looking icons for letters/envelopes = email, documents = office suite, > music system = music player, television = movie player etc. Yes, that would be the easiest to use UI. While concepts like http://www.symphonyos.com/ are much closer to the Fitts's laws of UI design.. we also have to accept the fact that the current UI concepts derived from XWindows, MacOS and MS Windows in past 15-20 years... good or bad... have already become popular, have gained acceptance. I once read a comparision of user friendliness of all major OS's (in case of linux, the DE's). To my surprise, BeOS actually came at the top in many categories! but then, maybe if you are too revolutionary, you face resistance in acceptance as well. Ultimately, any voluntary effort to push linux desktop to villages in India would involve effort from PC assemblers, local hardware service guys, (ie the "Desktop Support").. and these guys need to be confortable supporting it, need to know about it.. If we try to push a very revolutionary idea... we would need large funding and participation.. > into home desktops. Since linux is secure, once a firewall is running, > linux will not even need an anti-virus to constantly update. This system > in other Indian languages should become very popular with the rural > population who has no knowledge of computers or even those who are semi > literate. Yes, localization is ONE area where Linux CAN easily beat MS in India, IF it makes early inroads.. MS windows and its set of commercial softwares can not be translated 100% to desi languages easily, as it would involve an effort from a lot of different companies... on the other hand, a small team of dedicated volunteers can translate a set of common apps to Indian langauges much more easily and quickly... (in fact most of hindi kde translations have been done by a single guy!) sadly, the status of translations of most indian languages is not that great :(...

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TATA Indicom Data Card (Huawei EC321)
by Vivek J. Patankar 05 Oct '06

05 Oct '06

Hi, Has anyone on the list managed to get the TATA Indicom CDMA data card working on Linux? As of now, the card is detected and configured as /dev/ttyUSB0. I guess I am missing the modem AT commands that I would require while configuring KPPP. -- Regards Vivek J. Patankar

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WAP enabled website design
by vatsal desai 05 Oct '06

05 Oct '06

Hello, I am interested in getting a simple text only 10 page WAP enabled website designed. The website is meant specifically for mobile devices. The website will also consist of one MySql database. Please let me know if anyone is interested. Thanks, Vatsal --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Get on board. You're invited to try the new Yahoo! Mail.

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[COMMERCIAL] [Fwd: ZEOMEGA CAMPUS INTERVIEW]
by Anurag 05 Oct '06

05 Oct '06

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pppoe inconsistency problem.
by krishnakant Mane 05 Oct '06

05 Oct '06

hello, I had configured roring penguine yesterday with the help of rony. it worked yesterday. I had configured it with ./go and it asked me the eth interface I gave it the right one. then it asked me the username and password. after that it asked me if I want it it to come up on demand and also the time for which I want it to stay up. I said yes I want it on demand. but I did not specify the amount of time I want it to be up. yesterday it was working fine but today it is not working. it is starting properly with pppoe-start but it is not connecting to the internet. Krishnakant.

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Re: A Desktop Concept. (Rony)
by Vihan Pandey 05 Oct '06

05 Oct '06

Hi Rony, Later when I met Krish, he told me about gnowsis > http://www.gnowsis.org/ Are you sure it was GNOWSIS and not GNOWSYS ? Gnowsis is simply a semantic desktop, GNOWSYS is/aims to be a complete semantic computing environment and knowledge management system. It's Desktop is called the Gnowser and is currently under development. GNOWSYS is being developed at HBCSE, TIFR and the master mind behind it is Nagarjun G. You can find out more on : http://www.gnu.org/software/gnowsys/ You can read the concept paper here : http://www.gnu.org/software/gnowsys/GNOWSYS_files/cpv2/index.html Regards, - vihan

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[commercial][ot]: Need back office support staff
by Abhishek Daga 05 Oct '06

05 Oct '06

We have a requirement for Back Office Support staff. The web based tools are developed on open source the OS is ubuntu. Prior knowledge of linux OS not essential but a plus. The job entails: a) Accessing data online and gathering relevant information. b) Making calls when necessary and gathering information. Most of the time you will be accessing IVR base systems and jotting down information and once in a while actually have to speak to someone. c) Prior knowledge of spreadsheets is a big plus. d) Excellent Communication skills, with an emphasis on spoken english. e) Willingness to work 5 PM to 11 PM initially for 2 months and then regular shift or evening shift. Contact me offline if you or anyone you know is interested in this opportunity. Thank you, Abhishek __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

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Livecd distro or alternative required
by िऩऩाद 05 Oct '06

05 Oct '06

Hi I am working from a hotel room and have good amount of spare time on weekends. Can anyone suggest a suitable linux live cd whereby i can work on linux and save documents on to my laptop and most important learn programming. I am on a ibm t41 laptop. I have some books from where I can learn programming any other alternative similar to livecd also will be useful Ninad

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A Desktop Concept.
by Rony 05 Oct '06

05 Oct '06

Hello All, Yesterday I visited an old couple who had problems with their pc. While the problem was minor, I noticed that they were very unfamiliar to computers and were using it only to send and receive mail from their children abroad. They had noted everything down in a letter pad and would refer to it and try to figure out their way on the screen. The email program too was difficult to navigate as it had a lot of options and buttons. This kept me thinking about a desktop thats totally different from the current windows clones and is totally a reflection of real life. I recollect Rajeev demonstrating a file browser like that in the wireless LUG meet. Later when I met Krish, he told me about gnowsis http://www.gnowsis.org/ but I just visited their site today and find that it still has standard interfaces and is more dedicated to relating data rather than an innovative interface to access data. So how about a totally different desktop that actually looks like a real life situation. For example, it will have simple but large and realistic looking icons for letters/envelopes = email, documents = office suite, music system = music player, television = movie player etc. Now come the main part. There should be no windows as we use today. An email program should open up graphics of a full size page with a pen on it. The user only types on that page and then presses an adjacent big button that reads 'Put letter in envelope'. Then the letter folds itself and puts itself inside a big envelope. The envelope then faces the user waiting for an email address. The email address appears as its typed and in bold letters across the envelope. Then the user chooses from 2 big buttons that read 'Post this letter' or 'Post it later'. If 'Post this letter' is selected, the envelope will drop itself inside a big red post box. Similarly, a real life photo graphics environment can be used in place of windows for office, music, video and other applications. While all this may look very silly for us, it will be a big boon for those users who feel intimidated by computers and dislike the window environment. I am sure there are projects going on in this direction but if we can be first in linux to do it, it will give linux a quantum leap into home desktops. Since linux is secure, once a firewall is running, linux will not even need an anti-virus to constantly update. This system in other Indian languages should become very popular with the rural population who has no knowledge of computers or even those who are semi literate. Regards, Rony. ___________________________________________________________ To help you stay safe and secure online, we've developed the all new Yahoo! Security Centre. http://uk.security.yahoo.com

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problem with ubuntu
by bombay news 05 Oct '06

05 Oct '06

Dear all, I wonder if this problem was caused by tinkering with Firefox's settings to enable quicker browsing. Now the entire Ubuntu OS has become unstable. I get the following error message during booting: /dev/hda7: unexpected inconsistency; Run fsck manually... An automatic file system check of the root file system failed..... A manual fsck must be performed, then file system rebooted.... so how to perform manual fsck? also there is something about badblocks on the Internet. How to turn these into good blocks? help would be appreciated. Shiv Kumar _________________________________________________________________ Live the life in style with MSN Lifestyle. Check out! http://content.msn.co.in/Lifestyle/Default

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Re: GLUG BoF meet
by Roshan 05 Oct '06

05 Oct '06

--Philip Tellis wrote: > There is no glug meet. There's a BoF. Sorry, mixed it up. So is the GLUG BoF confirmed? > What is a BoF? > birds of feather flock together And to add a little more follow the URL below http://foss.in/2006/info/BoF __________________________________________________________ Yahoo! India Answers: Share what you know. Learn something new http://in.answers.yahoo.com/

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Re: GLUG BoF meet
by Roshan 05 Oct '06

05 Oct '06

> Philip Tellis wrote: > > > > > > Why don't you meet up at Shah Tea stall at Wadala > (halfway between > > Wadala Station and 5 Gardens). Have Badshah > special chai and then go > > down to 5G for Chaat. Whatever you do, do not > meet in a classroom. This > > is a BoF meet, not a LUG lecture. > > > > Thats fine. I hope the stall is easily visible. > Wadala, five gardens > would be very nice. But lets meet at one place so > that late comers don't > have to search the five gardens for the birds. And > what time? So where's the GLUG meet final location? I think the RSVP idea is good. In french, it stands for Répondez S'il Vous Plaît (meaning reply please ..no..I don't know french, but found this in the Oxford Dictionary) though I initially thought it stood for Resource Reservation Protocol [in a way true...] __________________________________________________________ Yahoo! India Answers: Share what you know. Learn something new http://in.answers.yahoo.com/

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Re: RHCE certification
by Roshan 05 Oct '06

05 Oct '06

> Hi AA. > > Don't worry too much about certifications. You > should be looking to > gain knowledge and expertise. Look for an expert who > can teach you > linux in a very lucid way. Install linux at home an > experiment on it. > That IMHO is the best way. I do agree with this. However, there is one thing I would like to ask. Do these certifications have content that build up a strong foundation for the candidate who opts for a such a ceritification? For example, if Mr. X knows addition of two numbers then a. He can add five numbers by adding two at a time (i.e. 1+2+3+4+5 will be added as (1+2)-> (3+3) -> (6+4)... b. He can subtract numbers i.e. (add a postive and a negative number 3 + (-8) ) etc. etc. If they do, then won't they be more valuable? __________________________________________________________ Yahoo! India Answers: Share what you know. Learn something new http://in.answers.yahoo.com/

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RHCE certification
by A A 04 Oct '06

04 Oct '06

Hello all, I wonder if this is the appropriate forum to post my query. I'm Linux newbie, very much interested to learn and share about Linux. I have heard about RHCE certification being one of the hottest in 2006. Seeking advice if joining a coaching class at RH authorised centre is MANDATORY which I think charges quite a bit. I wish to know if any of you is RHCE certified but gained the training elsewhere thru a friend/ Linux expert in Mumbai at comparatively lower cost. If so, please let me know the contact person. Thanks in advance AA --------------------------------- Get your email and more, right on the new Yahoo.com

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Re: GLUG BoF meet
by Roshan 04 Oct '06

04 Oct '06

--Anurag <anurag(a)gnuer.org> wrote: > Five Gardens sounds fine. Time around 7PM. Is that > fine with everyone? Its fine with me too. > Those who were there for Jan 2006 meet might already > know this place. I wasn't there. But if it closer and can be located from Ruia College, I think I should reach Five Gardens. __________________________________________________________ Yahoo! India Answers: Share what you know. Learn something new http://in.answers.yahoo.com/

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Re: GLUG BoF meet (Anurag)
by Vihan Pandey 04 Oct '06

04 Oct '06

> From: Anurag <anurag(a)gnuer.org> > Subject: [ILUG-BOM] GLUG BoF meet > > Kenneth Gonsalves will be in city this week. We are planning to have a BoF > meet on 5th Oct evening at some place. Can list members suggest some good > place where all of us can meet? > > Hi Anurag, i guess we also ought to consider how many people are coming on the 5th. It would be great if you could allow people to RSVP you, that way we can get an estimate of the actual number attending and accordingly select a place. Thanks for the info, Regards, - vihan

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Re: [Fwd: LinuxThane 2006] (Mrugesh Karnik)
by Vihan Pandey 04 Oct '06

04 Oct '06

Hi Mrugesh, I have a suggestion. FSF should stop being so hypocritic and start using > a term like FOSS/Linux that signifies Freedom. By using GNU/Linux, > you're stealing the credit from the likes of Xorg and KDE. If you're > really concerned about freedom, start highlighting freedom, not your > own name. The issue is that ``certain organisations/people" don't care and don't want to care about how and why the Free Software movement started, but use software nevertheless. In the process, that concept and ideology for which everything that was initiated is lost. A good example is khadi. Any/Every one who wears khadi garments mainly do it out of a fashion statement or its ``technical/material benefits" in any weather. Nobody(or may be one in lakh) would really say talk about how khadi came into being or what it stands for. Thus it becomes necessary to continue the activism to keep people aware of the cause. Lest it be forgotten. Oh and before anyone starts a flame war, I am a fan of the GNU > philosophy. But that doesn't mean that I have to like or agree with > everything that FSF or RMS say or do. i agree with you completely on the flame war bit AND that you have very much a right to your opinion. But remember IF tomorrow that `right' is taken away from you too will HAVE to take steps to get it back and make sure it is NEVER revoked for you or anyone else. Regards, - vihan

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how to enable root user with password prompting in knoppix.
by krishnakant Mane 04 Oct '06

04 Oct '06

hello, I got my knoppix cd install on the hard disk. so now knoppix runs almost like ubuntu does as in works without any super user parssword from my hard disk. but now I want the system to ask me for a password when I log in and for root as well when I try to su in the bash prompt. how can I enable both this things? Krishnakant.

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Re: Re: [ILUG-BOM] RHCE certification
by ryan coelho 04 Oct '06

04 Oct '06

On Tue, 03 Oct 2006 Mrugesh Karnik wrote : >On Saturday 30 September 2006 18:19, A A wrote: > > Hello all, > > > > I wonder if this is the appropriate forum to post my query. I'm Linux > > newbie, very much interested to learn and share about Linux. I have > > heard about RHCE certification being one of the hottest in 2006. > > Seeking advice if joining a coaching class at RH authorised centre is > > MANDATORY which I think charges quite a bit. I wish to know if any of > > you is RHCE certified but gained the training elsewhere thru a > > friend/ Linux expert in Mumbai at comparatively lower cost. If so, > > please let me know the contact person. > > > > Thanks in advance > > AA > > ><sarcasm> >Forget all that. The best way to pass RHCE is to find an institute where >they'll sell you all the problems that'll appear in the exam you appear >for and pass with 100% marks. It isn't difficult to find such an >institute either. ></sarcasm> > > >-- >---------------------------------------- >Mrugesh Karnik >GPG Key 0xBA6F1DA8 >Public key on http://wwwkeys.pgp.net >---------------------------------------- >-- >http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers I am a Red Hat Certified and not in favour of such advise one of the policies of Red Hat is the secrecy document, signed before the exam What it does is keep the value of Red Hat Certification High. Besides guys like me have struggle to get hard core in UNix to pass such an exam. Cheers Ryan Coelho.

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[Fwd: LinuxThane 2006]
by Anurag 03 Oct '06

03 Oct '06

Forwarded mail from Mr. Abhijeet. -- Anurag

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Linux compatible motherboards.
by Rony 03 Oct '06

03 Oct '06

Hello All, Whenever there have been arguments on this list about linux compatible hardware, the experts are of the opinion that they select their hardware in such a way that its compatible to linux without any extra effort. So here is a request to all the experts to provide some information on the motherboards and processors they use, that are directly compatible to linux . Could you provide a small list of motherboard models that you have been using on desktop/workstation systems running linux, for the last 6 months? Regards, Rony. ___________________________________________________________ All new Yahoo! Mail "The new Interface is stunning in its simplicity and ease of use." - PC Magazine http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html

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Note of thanks to Speakers and Volunteers for Introduction to GNU/Linux Seminar @ TSEC
by Dinesh Shah 03 Oct '06

03 Oct '06

Hi All, I would like to thank the speakers - Krishnakant Mane, Rajeev R K, Vihan Pandey, who have shared their knowledge. I would also like to thank the volunteers - Anurag Patel, Naveen, Mr. Rao and other two persons, for providing back end support before and during the seminar. I would also like to thank Venktesh Hariharan of Red Hat for providing Fedora Core CDs for distribution among participants. We have got excellent feedback on all the speakers and participants were of the opinion that the time allocated was not enough. :-) We will ask the College authorities to organise a full day seminar/workshop for GNU/Linux in near future. Looking forward to continued participation in all future GNU/Linux awareness activities. With regards, -- --Dinesh Shah :-)

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GPL hardware - project for the project handicapped
by jtd 03 Oct '06

03 Oct '06

It keeps getting better. Sun released the T1 processor under the gpl. And a bunch of hardware guys derived a single core unit out of that. http://www.srisc.com/?s1 So all those final year sods just woken up in the morning and staring at a bleak projectless year, here is one waiting for u. http://www.opensparc.net/ -- Rgds JTD

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Re: how to enable root user with password prompting in knoppix (krishnakant Mane)
by Vihan Pandey 03 Oct '06

03 Oct '06

> From: "krishnakant Mane" <researchbase(a)gmail.com> but now I want the system to ask me for a password when I log in and > for root as well when I try to su in the bash prompt. > how can I enable both this things? > Krishnakant. Hello Krishnakant, You can do that simply by : # sudo passwd root This will enable a password for the root user. Also, please go through the documentation here : http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Dapper Regards, - vihan

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Anjuta bounties
by Debarshi 'Rishi' Ray 03 Oct '06

03 Oct '06

Forwarded from the gnome-love list. Date: Sun, 01 Oct 2006 00:23:22 +0300 From: Naba Kumar <naba.kumar(a)gmail.com> Subject: [gnome-love] Anjuta bounties To: gnome-devel(a)gnome.org Cc: anjuta-devel(a)lists.sourceforge.net, gnome-love(a)gnome.org Message-ID: <1159651402.15690.21.camel(a)localhost.localdomain> Content-Type: text/plain Hi guys! We are starting to offer bounties for some of our Anjuta tasks. This has been done to encourage people to contribute to Anjuta development and to speed up some of our priorities. Now, in addition to enjoying helping Anjuta get better, you also get the chance to earn some incentives for your valued contributions. http://anjuta.org/tasks So those interested, please go ahead and grab the tasks you believe you would enjoy contributing and help us make Anjuta one of the best IDEs! Thanks. Regards, -Naba -- Microsoft does have a Y2K problem... it's called GNU/Linux!

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HSBC online services not working in Ubuntu/Firefox
by Rohit V Bhute 03 Oct '06

03 Oct '06

I opened an account with HSBC a few days back for my salary deposits. The online@HSBC services are not working in Ubuntu/Firefox. It requires IE 5.0+ or NS Communicator. I tried fiddling with the User Agent string (strangely, most of the IE User Agent strings I found on the net looked like Mozilla/<some stuff>) but to no avail. I've submitted a complaint form but I'm not expecting them to listen to it. Is there any way other than booting into Windows or using IE from Wine? Other than the fact that I would be using, well, IE or win32, I would lose face in front of my sister whom I berate for carrying out *her* online banking business in win32/IE :-( -- Rohit V. Bhute http://blog.rvbhute.org

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Fwd: Openoffice.org design Template/Clipart Competition
by Kartik Mistry 03 Oct '06

03 Oct '06

Hi all, Interesting mail. Any takers? ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Russell Ossendryver <worldlabel(a)gmail.com> Date: Oct 2, 2006 1:42 AM Subject: Openoffice.org design Template/Clipart Competition To: kartik Hi It would be a great if you would post news about the Openoffice.org Template/Clipart competition on your blog so the FOSS community in India can help. We need all the help we can get!! Building a comprehensive gallery of OpenDocument Format templates I believe is essential for the movement and it will help everyone. Anything you do would be great, actually awesome. Thank you so much for consideration. Sincerely Russell Template & Clipart Contest The Openoffice.org Documentation Project is holding a competition for templates and clipart, and there is prize money! The goal is to increase our trove. Frankly, we don't have enough; users are feeling deprived. That means over 50 million people. You can help change that... and also maybe win some money. http://www.worldlabel.com, which has been long a strong champion of OpenOffice.org, has set aside USD 5,000 for prizes. Winners will also have the option of including their winning entries in the OpenOffice.org installation sets available from the site. If you are interested, visit the Documentation Project for more information. Everyone is eligible and everyone is encouraged to participate. The contest officially starts this week and ends 13 October 2006, on our birthday. Winning entries will be judged by a panel of three and winners will be announced 1 November 2006. http://documentation.openoffice.org/ -- Regards, ---------------------------------------------------------- Kartik Mistry | kartik.freemind.in 0xD1028C8D | kartikm.wordpress.com -----------------------------------------------------------

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M$ spyware in action - two steps towards promoting linux.
by jtd 02 Oct '06

02 Oct '06

http://blogs.zdnet.com/Bott/?p=143 WGA (windows Genuine Advantage) in Vista checks your drive for pirated stuff of ALL copies of windows and reports back to the mothership. If u have any M$ stuff illegally obtained - in this case even legally obtained - it will prevent access of the new and old software. I love M$. I adore BG. XP is good. Vista is great. Hope they release it today. $-E -- Rgds JTD

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GLUG BoF meet
by Anurag 02 Oct '06

02 Oct '06

Hello, Kenneth Gonsalves will be in city this week. We are planning to have a BoF meet on 5th Oct evening at some place. Can list members suggest some good place where all of us can meet? Anurag -- __ __ gnu /noo/ n. Ox like antelope; (abbr.) /gnoo/ n. (recursive acronym) Gnu's Not Unix.

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[OT] Cross platform sites/Migration of sites to mozilla
by Vinayak Hegde 02 Oct '06

02 Oct '06

Recently there has been talk about websites not supporting Firefox. Also there are certain hurdles in making applications (mostly intranet apps) work on Linux when a certain organisation tries to migrate to linux. The following document is a good starting point for such initiatives. http://developer.mozilla.org/en/docs/Migrate_apps_from_Internet_Explorer_to… -- Vinayak

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Fedora core
by Debasish Das 01 Oct '06

01 Oct '06

Hi friends, I am very new in this group. I am a member of ilug-cal and Madhyamgram GLT. Presently I am in Mumbai. I need FC5 or FC6. It is very urgent as other option is to use MS windows. I am giving my contact no. If any one is having this I can meet you to take this. Regards, Debasish Das Mob-no 9820578852

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how to install dosemu for foxpro on ubuntu?
by krishnakant Mane 01 Oct '06

01 Oct '06

hello, I am going for a big demo of gnu linux on tuesday. I will be demonstrating ubuntu dapper to some retail pharmacies and they expect me to show how do I propose to runn foxpro on the gnu/linux box. I will like to know how I can setup dosemu to bring up foxpro on dos session in ubuntu. Krishnakant.

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FC5/FC6
by Debasish Das 30 Sep '06

30 Sep '06

Hi friends, I am very new in this group. I am a member of ilug-cal and Madhyamgram GLT. Presently I am in Mumbai. I need FC5 or FC6. It is very urgent as other option is to use MS windows. I am giving my contact no. If any one is having this I can meet you to take this. Regards, Debasish Das Mob-no 9820578852

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how to open multiple terminals in knoppix?
by krishnakant Mane 29 Sep '06

29 Sep '06

hello, I want to know how can I open multiple terminals on the shel using knoppix. with all other distros like debian, redhat etc ctrl + alt + f1 - 6 opens terminals. I however could not do the same with knoppix. will installation on the hard disk give that facility? Krishnakant.

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GPL Violations: DLINK bites the dust
by jtd 29 Sep '06

29 Sep '06

Dlink was one of the crooked companies that violated the gpl and was taken to court by Harold Welte. They lost the case. Their defence shows their crookedness and greed. Dlink contended that linux indulged in price fixing by keeping price at zero and hence was indulging in monopolistic behaviour. Therfore by magic Dlink was allowed to violate the terms of the GPL. The court said that irrespective of the allegation of price fixing, Dlink ceased to be a licencee of the gpl if it violtates any clause of the gpl. Case was filed by Harold Welte of iptables fame. Krishnakant could u put this in the press. This is a great victory cause it immediately fixes all responsibility on the distributor without exceptions due to alleged gpl. Time to boycott dlink. Alternative is DAX for switches and low end network stuff. I belive that i have found another gpl violation from one of the largest IT houses in the country. They had developed an embedded kernel on arm for another multinational. The multinational's local contact says that thay dont have the source cause the IT house did not give them the source, and seemed to be unaware of the gpl requirements. Further investigation continues. I am not disclosing names until I am very sure. The company has already lost an order of Rs.30 lacs. If it can play dirty with the gpl it will most certainly do the same to me. -- Rgds JTD

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[commercial] PHP web scraper writers
by Abhishek Daga 29 Sep '06

29 Sep '06

I need scrapers written in php for several sites (6 or 7). These are https sites having username and passwords. There wil be several stages of navigation that require entering more data/criteria that would need to be pulled from the existing mysql DB. And finally, the data would need to be extracted. If there is anyone who is interested in taking up this project on a contract basis, please contact offline and we can discuss this further. -abhishek __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

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how can I create openoffice .odt files in emacs?
by krishnakant Mane 29 Sep '06

29 Sep '06

hello all, here is one more strange yet interesting query. if I want to use emacs to create, format, open and save .odt files from openoffice word processor, how can I accomplish it? I will be first interested to create odt documents and then even spreadsheets. I find emacs desktop very comfortable to use. I don't know how good it looks on the desktop but liked it very much. now if I can use it for createing formatted documents and spread sheets, nothing like it. I am already seeking some help for browsing internet with emacspeak. hope some one will drop in with the help for that as well. thanking all. Krishnakant.

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] GPL Violations: Elitecore should bites the dust
by Debarshi 'Rishi' Ray 29 Sep '06

29 Sep '06

> I might be stating the obvious here but using GPL licensed software and making > changes and using them internally (like within a company) is okay. Google, > Yahoo, Amazon and other companies does this and this is not a violation of the > GNU GPL license. Also providing a hosted service such as hardened FTP server > space (with patches whose source code is not available) also does not fall under > the purview of the GNU GPL license. It is perfectly legal to do that. It is only legal if the original package is licensed under the GPLv2 or earlier, which obviously it is. The GPLv3 tends to look at it differently as of now. Regards, Debarshi -- Microsoft does have a Y2K problem... it's called GNU/Linux!

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Debian 3.1 rocks
by Rony 28 Sep '06

28 Sep '06

Hello All, This is a mini installation report on Debian 3.1. The linux26 kernel option was selected at boot prompt and Debian 3.1 was installed with a 2.6 kernel. The system was P4 2.4 GHz. and Intel 845 GEBV2 mobo. During installation itself the packages were updated from the net ( 120 MB). It detected the video with vesa drivers upto 800 x 600 resol. and sound was detected too. Printer setup was tricky as the kde could not initiate a setup for lpd printers. After a lot of googling I came across this unusual method of setting up a printer and it worked. I downloaded packages using synaptec. http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=8302 Another problem was that sound did not work for the other user created for my family members. I looked up /etc/groups and added the new user in the line for 'audio' but still no good. Then after more googling I found this useful link http://www.andreas-janssen.de/debian-tipps-sarge.html#a36 I downloaded the latest alsa-base alsa-oss and the new user too can access sound. Best part was that the 'totem' movie player could play VCDs and DVDs directly without the usual extra downloads. Still I installed the win32 codecs and libdvdcss later. The usb pen drive was also detected, though I had to manually mount it, but it was fun. In synaptec package manager, I came across a kernel for speech called speakup. The details are given below. Krish can try out this kernel for speech processing. The description is given below. "...Linux kernel image for version 2.4.27-speakup This package contains the Linux kernel image for version 2.4.27-speakup, the corresponding System.map file, and the modules built by the packager. It also contains scripts that try to ensure that the system is not left in a unbootable state after an update. If you wish to update a bootdisk, or to use a bootloader to make installing and using the image easier, we suggest you install the latest fdutils (for formatting a floppy to be used as boot disk), and LILO, for a powerful bootloader. Of course, both these are optional. Kernel image packages are generally produced using kernel-package, and it is suggested that you install that package if you wish to create a custom kernel from the sources. This kernel package contains a Linux kernel patched with speakup, a screen reader for the Linux console. Speakup currently supports the following hardware speech synthesizers: * DoubleTalk PC/LT * LiteTalk * Accent PC/SA * Speakout * Artic Transport * Audapter * Braille 'N Speak / Type 'N Speak * Dectalk External and Express * the Apollo2 NOTE: We don't claim this drivers to be stable, use them on your own risk...." All in all, Debian 3.1 is a good distro for those who want to get some installation experience. Its not too difficult. The online helping community is simply fantastic with so much online help available. This distro rocks. Regards, Rony. ___________________________________________________________ Now you can scan emails quickly with a reading pane. Get the new Yahoo! Mail. http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html

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Firefox Howto
by Rony 28 Sep '06

28 Sep '06

Hello All, First, I want to thank all those who gave tips on installing debian 3.1 with linux26 kernel. I have downloaded firefox 1.5 but it is a self running software and I want to avoid duplicating it for every user. So what is a common location that I can use for installation for all users and only their profile is stored in their own home folder? Regards, Rony. ___________________________________________________________ To help you stay safe and secure online, we've developed the all new Yahoo! Security Centre. http://uk.security.yahoo.com

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] how to open multiple terminals in knoppix?
by Debarshi 'Rishi' Ray 28 Sep '06

28 Sep '06

> I want to know how can I open multiple terminals on the shel using > knoppix. > with all other distros like debian, redhat etc ctrl + alt + f1 - 6 Check whether your /etc/inittab has some lines like these or not: # Run gettys in standard runlevels 1:2345:respawn:/sbin/mingetty tty1 2:2345:respawn:/sbin/mingetty tty2 3:234:respawn:/sbin/mingetty tty3 4:234:respawn:/sbin/mingetty tty4 5:234:respawn:/sbin/mingetty tty5 6:234:respawn:/sbin/mingetty tty6 If you have exactly these lines then. you will have 6 terminals in runlevels 2,3,4 and only 2 terminals in runlevel 5. Cheers, Debarshi -- Microsoft does have a Y2K problem... it's called GNU/Linux!

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Re: how to setup raspppoe internet on linux?
by अिनकॆत (Aniket) 28 Sep '06

28 Sep '06

well access concentrator is just server on the LAN which is offering PPPOE services. So there can be many on the LAN , and you need to select one. SO.... After you install rp-pppoe-3.8 , run the following command, "/sbin/pppoe -A " You will get a list of access concentrators and services on the command prompt., then make a note which one is yours.... Then , instead of "go-gui" ..just run "go" from the rp-pppoe directory, this will start the PPPOE dialer from command prompt without the GUI.. Also , if you need more assistance , you can give me a call, contact me off the list.

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Web server
by Mukund Deshmukh 28 Sep '06

28 Sep '06

Hi, I am looking for compact Webserver for manipulating data received from embedded devices. The requirements are, 1. Free 2. Works on linux and window. 2. Support for CGI and perl (if possible) 3. Fast, light weight. Any inputs? Best Regards, Mukund Deshmukh. Beta Computronics Pvt Ltd 10/1, IT Park, Parsodi, Nagpur-440022 Cell - 9422113746

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With 4, 000 students and just 21 computers, the Cotton Hill Girls High School in the south Indian city of Trivandrum wouldn't appear to be at the vanguard of anything related to information technology. Linux spreads its wings in India
by Dinesh Shah 27 Sep '06

27 Sep '06

With 4,000 students and just 21 computers, the Cotton Hill Girls High School in the south Indian city of Trivandrum wouldn't appear to be at the vanguard of anything related to information technology. Yet the 71-year-old school is abandoning Microsoft Windows software in favor of its free, open-source rival, Linux. So when students -- typically eight to a machine, seated at two benches -- turn on their PCs they see Linux desktop software that helps them navigate their way to all manner of math, graphics, and writing programs. http://in.rediff.com/money/2006/sep/27linux.htm -- --Dinesh Shah :-)

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Re: how to setup raspppoe internet on linux?
by अिनकॆत (Aniket) 27 Sep '06

27 Sep '06

To configure PPPOE follow these steps..I use PPPOE at my place since the last 2 years in Fedora core 5 and Ubuntu . I ll first describe how I did it in Fedora ..then I ll also describe how I did it in Ubuntu... U ll also need a lil help from Winblows... 1] In windows....run "raspppoe" or "pppoeconf" from start menu and click on "Query Services" ..Note down the relevant access concentrator name , and the service name for your provider. 2]In any fedora system , run "system-config-network", In the GUI you get, select New interface , and in the list of connection types, select XDSL . 3] In the GUI that follows , enter the username and password, and also other stuff like activate on boot., allow all users to activate the device etc.. Then click on OK , and click on "save" from file menu 4] Now double click on the interface you just created and in the "advanced" tab, enter the access concentrator name and service name you noted down from windows. Again save the configuration from file menu. 5] now just run "system-control-network" (from menu or terminal ..ur choice :) ..) ...you will get GUI to turn you PPPOE connection on/off. PS : in the menu;..."system-config-network" ==>menu->administration->network "system-control-network" ===> menu->system->network device control METHOD FOR UBUNTU... 1] download latest rp-pppoe (version 3.8 afaik) from http://www.roaringpenguin.com/penguin/open_source_rp-pppoe.php 2] On a standard system....just run "go-gui" from the package , it will give you GUI for PPPOE where you can enter all the relevant fields like username . passord, AC name , service name etc.... and just hit connect If "go-gui" doesnt work..... 3]Run following commands in the rp-pppoe-3.x folder from terminal... cd src ./configure make make install (as root) 4]Now try running "go-gui" In my Ubuntu dapper system, "go-gui" worked fine , and I did'nt need to compile anything much.... Hope this helps....... Please feel free to post any more doubts about this ....

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how to setup raspppoe internet on linux?
by krishnakant Mane 27 Sep '06

27 Sep '06

hello all. I have a machine with 2 lan cards one for internet and the other for internal lan. my isp uses raspppoe for internet connection. I believe there is a way to get my ubuntu, debian or knoppix system connect to the internet over ras PPPOE? one lan card has a static ip 192.168.0.2 and is used for my internal network. I have right now un plugged the cable from this card. the one that connects to the internet via ras PPPOE has no IP statically assigned by my isp. it seams to get it dynamically when I use their diler from my desktop. how can I set it up from the command line? since I don't have a gui based screen reader for linux, I have to do it from the shell. thanks, Krishnakant.

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[Commercial][Job] PostgreSQL Database Designers Wanted
by Rajesh Rajani 27 Sep '06

27 Sep '06

Hi All, We require a couple of experienced PostgreSQL database designers for an onsite assignment in Japan. Skills: PostgreSQL Database Designer Platform: Linux Location: Japan (long-term >1 Yr) Experience: 2+ Years Please reply to me off the list for further details. Thanks and Regards, Rajesh

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blender - an apology
by Kenneth Gonsalves 27 Sep '06

27 Sep '06

hi, sometime back I had highly praised blender, but had criticised the interface as non-intuitive. On using blender i find i was wrong - the interface is intuitive and suprisingly easy to learn. The reason why i had got that impression was, that i had tried it out two years ago with a borked install, and with an unsatisfactory tutorial. The tutorials now available rock. And blender rocks. -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves Associate, NRC-FOSS lawgon(a)au-kbc.org http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/

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[Commercial] RTLinux Training
by hemendra jain 27 Sep '06

27 Sep '06

Dear Friends, We are a start-up Embedded Systems training: ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ SN Embedded Systems. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Batch is starting in Oct. --------------------------------------------------------------------- RTLinux: topics covered 1. Basics of Real Time systems. 2. Types of Real Time systems 3. Need of an RTOS ,Role of an RTOS 4. Basics of an RTOS 5. OS Concepts 6. RTLinux Installation 7. RTLinux Architecture 8. Pthread programming 9. RTLinux programming 10. RTLinux practicals: DC Motor-based/LED-based implementing RMA Schedule. Have queries ? contact us. For SN Embedded: Hemendra Jain (98205 65918) Also provided training for RTLinux,VxWorks,8051,Linux Device Driver.

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remote desktop, local printing. Linux client
by Abhishek Daga 27 Sep '06

27 Sep '06

The situation is, Local Linux client connected via remote desktop to a windows server. how can one print off apps running remotely on a local printer? did find the windows client/windows server solution. but nothing where linux is client and windows is server. thanks abhi __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

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Re: Linux compatible motherboards
by Vivek Rai 27 Sep '06

27 Sep '06

> > > Onboard ethernet - OK > > what is the ethernet chip and what driver? product: CK804 Ethernet Controller vendor: nVidia Corporation driver: forcedeth

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Homebrew Debian distro for Indian Schools
by Arun K. Khan 27 Sep '06

27 Sep '06

Quote: Education Minister M.A. Baby told the Associated Press. "The government is introducing GNU/Linux-based software as tools to teach various subjects." http://www.desktoplinux.com/news/NS8687173118.html Hope education ministers in other states and the center take a cue from this initiative. -- Arun Khan

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Linux compatible motherboards.
by Debarshi 'Rishi' Ray 27 Sep '06

27 Sep '06

>> I use a Compaq notebook. Here are its details: >> >> Model no: Compaq Presario 2203AL >> Motherboard: Intel 855 GM with Intel Xtreme 2 graphics >> Procesor: Intel Pentium M 715 1.5GHz > I have a similar notebook - V5000. My wireless lan gets detected out > of the box on suse 10.1. But I have a problem with sound. It refuses > to play at max volume. Did you face similar a issue? Fedora Core 1 did not detect the sound card, but Fedora Core 2 and now Fedora Core 5 work fine. Sometimes, I do not get sound but that is easily fixed by going to the 'detect sound card' menu in GNOME and increasing the sound level using the slider there. Funnily the after exiting the utility, the slider goes back to where it was but the thing does not go mute. I suggest you try tinkering with any such utility if you have. Otherwise you might try the 'alsamixer' utility too. I use ALSA on my Fedora Core 5 system. > BTW, my modem is also not detected, but thats not an issue since I > don't need it. I understand HP has the drivers on their site. Same here with me. But the supplied driver works just fine. Cheerio, Debarshi -- Microsoft does have a Y2K problem... it's called GNU/Linux!

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Linux compatible motherboards.
by Debarshi 'Rishi' Ray 26 Sep '06

26 Sep '06

I use a Compaq notebook. Here are its details: Model no: Compaq Presario 2203AL Motherboard: Intel 855 GM with Intel Xtreme 2 graphics Procesor: Intel Pentium M 715 1.5GHz Memory: 256 MB 266 MHz Storage: 30GB serial ATA IDE drive at 5400 rpm Pointing device: Synaptic touchpad Network interface: Internal modem, Realtek RTL 8139C ethernet card, Intel PRO 2100 3B mini PCI adapter wireless LAN card (IEEE 802.11a/b) Micellaneous: IEEE 1394 Firewire port, external monitor (secondary display) port, S-Video output, 2 USB ports. No serial/parallel ports, and no bluetooth/IR support. Each and every piece of hardware has worked on GNU/Linux, and HP was good enough to give me Linux drivers for the modem and the wireless LAN card. On Fedora systems I have had trouble getting the graphics hardware to perform at its optimum level, although on Ubuntu systems things work fine. Regards, Debarshi -- Microsoft does have a Y2K problem... it's called Linux!

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[COMMERCIAL] Linux Remote System Administration Positions at Pune
by Tarun Dua 26 Sep '06

26 Sep '06

Remote Linux System Administrator(s) Number of Positions:2 Job Description: * Ability to work with RHEL 4.x/CentOS 4.x * Working knowledge of bash, ssh, NFS, Tomcat, J2SDK, Ant, DNS, and PostgreSQL * Work in storage technology(SAN, RAID), High Availability, Load Balancing and high bandwidth operations. * Data Center management and maintenance * Ability to manage and troubleshoot large Linux operation remotely. * Scripting routine tasks with discoverability and documentation of processes Experience Requirements: * 0-3 years of current Linux Systems Administration experience including 24/7/365 environments and remote management. * Perl or Shell scripting knowledge is a definite plus. Compensation: * Above average * Stock options are also offered Location: Pune Employer: Nanocast R & D India Pvt. Ltd. -Tarun PS: Please mail me back at tarun dot dua at nanocast dot com with your latest resume in HTML/Plaintext/RTF formats

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desktop vanishes in ubuntu dapper
by bombay news 26 Sep '06

26 Sep '06

dear all, barely had i created a shortcut on task bar to shut down internet in ubuntu dapper when i thought of tinkering with resolution. changed it from default to something else. now when i boot to ubuntu i get a grey screen. no visuals nothing. is there anyway i can reverse the changes without a new install? shiv kumar _________________________________________________________________ NRIs: Send Money FREE! Go ahead and register now! http://ads.mediaturf.net/event.ng/Type=click&FlightID=20273&AdID=65989&Targ…

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switching off internet when not in use in Ubuntu
by BombayNews 26 Sep '06

26 Sep '06

Dear all, I think my Internet usage (MTNL Triband) has increased ever since I switched over to Ubuntu! Earlier when I had Windows XP I could disable Triband by right clicking the Internet connectivity icon on the bottom right of the screen. There is no such blinking icon on Ubuntu and the net stays on even while I want to work offline. How to get this so that I can switch off Internet when I want to work offline? regards shiv kumar

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PPPoE problem.
by Rony 26 Sep '06

26 Sep '06

Hello All, A client of mine was happily using Mandrake 10.1 on his system for 2 years. About 6 months ago the cable guy switched over to PPPoE using raspppoe. So I had installed rp-pppoe for linux and everything was fine. Now they have again made changes like no static or dynamic ip assignment. The guy claims that he has only replaced a defective switch but now the rp-pppoe is not able to detect any access concentrator. Raspppoe works fine in windows and can establish a connection. The customer has totally moved over to linux so is handicapped without any internet connection. Please help with any suggestions. Regards, Rony. ___________________________________________________________ The all-new Yahoo! Mail goes wherever you go - free your email address from your Internet provider. http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html

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Re: Linux compatible motherboards
by Vivek Rai 26 Sep '06

26 Sep '06

mobo - Gigabyte K8N-SLI chipset - nForce4 SLI Chipset processor - amd64 4400x2 Linux compatiblity: Overall, this is fine with the latest 64 bit versions of Debian(Ubuntu and Mepis) /FC/Suse/Mandriva, and 32 bit Arch Linux Onboard Sound - OK Onboard ethernet - OK Older versions of some distros have issues with the SATA controller nVidia gaphics cards run fine with the proprietry dviers on most. Advice - Not all applications/libs/drivers have 64 bit versions - in case of propreitry stuff, check for availablity, and keep at least one 32 bit partition as well.

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Use GPLv3 for Linux Kernel says Bruce Perens
by പ്രവീണ്‍‌|Praveen 26 Sep '06

26 Sep '06

Ultimately, we need to recognize that Linux is a 15-year-old kernel and that there will be another technical development to superscede it eventually. I can't say what that will be, but I think the best chance of mobilizing individual contribution to it would be to use GPL 3. *Bruce* http://digg.com/linux_unix/Use_GPLv3_for_Linux_Kernel_says_Bruce_Perens Cheers Praveen -- "Value your freedom, or you will lose it, teaches history. `Don't bother us with politics', respond those who don't want to learn." -- Richard Stallman Me scribbles at http://www.pravi.co.nr

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debian installation complexcity, can't get installation menu.
by krishnakant Mane 26 Sep '06

26 Sep '06

hello rony, jtd mehul and all other friends. I tried to install debian from 3.1 rc 2. the problem is that I want to select 2.6 kernel and also want to get the menu for selecting the packages I want to install. the main problem is that I can either select the kernel or with debconf-priority=medium, get the menu. but I want to do both the things. I also want to make choices for packages to be installed and also have 2.6 kernel install which does not happen by default. can some one give me the proper conbination of the command line parameters to be passed? I have started the installer more than 15 times but could not figure it out. by the way if at all I think of buying the debian cds, should I buy all the 14 cd set? or else the first 4 will suit the need? I want to make one server setup and one work station setup with modest packages like office and related tools, cd writing, firefox evolution etc. mehul, I had requested you to download the debian cds for me. but it seams I have to do a setup at one of my customer this coming thursday. if any one already have the latest debian cds can I get them burned? or if some one have a faster internet connection like mtnl broad band with night time free download, I will be happy if some one could download the cds in a couple of days. else I may try getting older version from some where. thanks all. Krishnakant.

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Help wanted : ideas
by sankalp shere 26 Sep '06

26 Sep '06

Hello, We are planning to make ext2/3 file system driver in windows with the help of which one can access linux partitions from windows in dual boot pc. Since there already exist many open source tools for it (some examples: ext2ifs, ext2fs), we want to make something extra and different. We are thinking of making something like "wine that exists in linux" or cygwin(cygwin i guess is just a simulation unlike wine which can run actual win exes). But not getting any exact idea of what to do. People plz suggest something that is challenging but viable(tough combo :) ) in one year, really useful (one may think why the hell one would want to run linux prog on windows that too on dual boot pc where you can just reboot, basically that winwala thing is just an idea). All people who have some innovative ideas about such tools and cross-platform FS, in general, access plz let us know. bye, take care. People who have used --------------------------------- Find out what India is talking about on - Yahoo! Answers India Send FREE SMS to your friend's mobile from Yahoo! Messenger Version 8. Get it NOW

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Call for speaker(s) for Introduction to GNU/Linux Seminar
by Dinesh Shah 26 Sep '06

26 Sep '06

Hi All, We will be conducting a 4/5 Hours Introductory seminar @ ISAAC, Thadomal Sahani Engineering College, Bandra (W) on 2nd October, 2006. I would like to invite people for speaking on 1 or more of the following topics. Please let me know the topic of your interest and your participation by tomorrow (26th Sep. 2006) so we can finalise the details. Here is the O/L of the presentation. 1. Free and Open Source Philosophy. 2. Open Source and Free Software and how GNU/Linux fits into it all 3. GNU/Linux OS architecture 4. CLI and GUI in GNU/Linux 5. What is GNU/Linux Distribution 6. GNU/Linux installation basic 7. GNU/Linux File system Layout 8. GNU/Linux Applications - Productivity, Games, Graphics, Multimedia, Development, Embedded, Clusters, Grids, Super Computing, Internet Access, Various types of Servers/Services. 9. Use of GNU/Linux 10. Getting Help / Help Resources - Manual Pages, How to Documents, TLDP.org, Mailing Lists, Local GLUGs, Google and many on-line resources Looking forward to your active participation and support. With regards, -- --Dinesh Shah :-)

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listing Scenarios for usibility of linux on desktop, please contribute
by krishnakant Mane 26 Sep '06

26 Sep '06

hello all, I recently changed a couple of retail pharmasies to use gnu/linux on their desktop. first of all they were very resistent because their data management softwares were working on foxpro and so changing to gnu linux was impossible. but the main reason for their complain was that their software had grown too old and they wanted a new faster and efficient software. I proposed to developed that for them in java. then I told them about linux, took a ubuntu live cd and demonstrated and they were impressed. then I asked them a simple question "why do you use computers?" they told me for their daily work. so I asked "ok means you are using the computer for data management word processor tasks etc. so it is not because you want to use some thing called windows?" one of them told me "windows ho ya kuch bhi, kam hone se matlab hain. tumhara system sab karta hain kya?" as we all know linux can be equally good for all the tasks mentioned above, I told them yes. now that gave me an idea. why don't we all linux users start a thread and keep on putting in feedback of Scenarios where we have practically seen gnu/linux working? I underline the word practically seen, because some may only say on the basis of what they have herd. like for example I tryed to convince another client of my company who already uses gnu/linux on the server to use it on the desktop after a demo of ubuntu. but he said "the system is great but does not seen to have autocad which is the backbone of his business". here I could not do any thing but to remove the live cd and boot the machine back to windows. so please put in your feedback on this. where do you thihnk desktop linux can go and where it can't. thanking all. Krishnakant.

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Re: Linux compatible motherboards.
by Roshan 26 Sep '06

26 Sep '06

> On Sunday 24 September 2006 15:49, Rony wrote: > > Whenever there have been arguments on this list > about linux > > compatible hardware, the experts are of the > opinion that they select > > their hardware in such a way that its compatible > to linux without any > > extra effort. So here is a request to all the > experts to provide some > > information on the motherboards and processors > they use, that are > > directly compatible to linux . Could you provide a > small list of > > motherboard models that you have been using on > desktop/workstation > > systems running linux, for the last 6 months? I have been using ASUS P4S333VM motherboard for the past 2 years. 1. SiS Chipset 650 for display 7012 for sound Most of my friends, where I installed RH9 (a year ago), had Intel based motherboards, (845/865). __________________________________________________________ Yahoo! India Answers: Share what you know. Learn something new http://in.answers.yahoo.com/

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Re: desktop vanishes in ubuntu dapper
by BombayNews 25 Sep '06

25 Sep '06

found a tweak on ubuntu forums to fix this start ubuntu in recovery mode and then enter sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and keep clicking yes till one reaches resolution and then enter simple installation. it worked. so alls well that ends well sk

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Re: Problem in installing RH 9 on Dual Core Processor & SATA
by Roshan 25 Sep '06

25 Sep '06

Vihang Dudhalkar Wrote: > First of all redhat 9 is a pretty old distro. So i > dont think the > kernel supports that. > Try with a newer distro. (ubuntu, debian etch, or > even fedora 5). If > you dont have the cds you ask if some lug members > have it. As suggested by Mr. Vihang Dudhalkar, I would too, suggest you to try Ubuntu 6.06 / Fedora Core 5, for a newer computer. For obtaining CD's, you can either check the following page http://db.glug-bom.org/wiki/index.php/CDs_Available Locate a person who stays nearer to your suburb, and you could obtain a copy of GNU/Linux that he/she has. or if you have sufficient data transfer rate and capacity, you may download the ISO's from any one of the following websites. 1. http://www.ubuntu.com/download 2. http://fedora.redhat.com/Download __________________________________________________________ Yahoo! India Answers: Share what you know. Learn something new http://in.answers.yahoo.com/

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Re: Call for speaker(s) for Introduction to GNU/Linux Seminar
by Dinesh Shah 25 Sep '06

25 Sep '06

Dear Vihan, On 9/25/06, Vihan Pandey <vihanpandey(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Hi, > i don't interact much on mailing lists, but i do love talking and > interacting with people in the flesh about GNU/Linux :-) in both > Philosophical and Technical terms. i would love to help out in this and > reserve my 2nd October for this particular event. i can give you a low down > on which topics i can cover properly and you can use your discretion and > allot me the same. Thanks for your offer of help. I will keep you as backup. Please do come on 2nd Oct. 2006 @ TSEC With regards, -- --Dinesh Shah :-)

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concept for vertual weakly meets, suggestions please?
by krishnakant Mane 25 Sep '06

25 Sep '06

hello all. with so many topics and threads I came up with an idea. I can see some topics are like "how can i ... on my linux machine". they can be answered in a couple of emails. but then there are some project related emails and some are already being taken seriously. so why don't we meet on line may be once in 7 days? yahoo messenger would be a nice protocol because some are in the process of shifting to linux and still windows is used. take for example that radio guided sign post. may be all our friends can't meet physically in the meeting but jentelman, we all can at least make some time and meet on line? the latest issue was about promoting linux in the local market and schools. we can discuss a lot on line. what do you all think? if I am stupid, just delete this email. *smile*. Krishnakant.

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Problem in installing RH 9 on Dual Core Processor & SATA
by neel s Gurjar 25 Sep '06

25 Sep '06

HiI have laptop having dual core processor and sata hdd. I am trying to install RH 9 on my laptop but problem is It doesnot detect HDD.I checked bios also there is not more options about SATA hdd.What should I do ?Please helpNeelesh

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Problem in installing RH 9 on Dual Core Processor & SATA
by Akshay Mishra 25 Sep '06

25 Sep '06

>From: "neel s Gurjar" <ssnilu2001(a)rediffmail.com> >To: "linuxers_request" <linuxers-request(a)mm.ilug-bom.org.in> >Date: 24 Sep 2006 16:42:27 -0000 >Subject: [ILUG-BOM] Problem in installing RH 9 on Dual Core Processor & SATA >HiI have laptop having dual core processor and sata hdd. I am trying to install RH 9 on my >laptop but problem is It doesnot detect HDD.I checked bios also there is not more options >about SATA hdd.What should I do ?Please helpNeelesh reach the usr/src/linux -- make menuconfig go to device drivers. and scsi driver support. enable scsi disk support and in low level drivers enable sata support. do a lspci and check out the chip controlling the drive and enable them as well. compile them in kernel and not as module. hth, Akshay

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Re: [ILUG-BOM] [OT] Triband Filter
by VKB 25 Sep '06

25 Sep '06

> Quoting Roshan <d_rosh2001(a)yahoo.co.in>: >> What I am interested to know is whether anyone has >> faced a similar problem, and, if yes, was it with the >> filter? If yes, did guys from MTNL replace / repair >> the filter? Or did they ask to purchase a new one? >> >> Where in Mumbai would it be available? > > This filter is not generally available in market (atleast I wasnt able to find it when i required) > > One of my hardware selling vendor had it in stock luckily but the thing costs Rs. 150, let me know if you want it. > Friends, I happened to be at the Lamington Road market in Mumbai, about 8 weeks ago. I saw these splitters being sold to another retail customer, at Maxcom (23882728). Pricing was around 200/-. --- vkb

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Re :Re: [ILUG-BOM] concept for vertual weakly meets, suggestions please?
by neel s Gurjar 25 Sep '06

25 Sep '06

please tell me when & on which to meet. I am also interested in thatneelTry Hard, Get Hard !\"GNU/Linux Users Group, Mumbai, India\" wrote On Saturday 23 September 2006 22:58, krishnakant Mane wrote: > yahoo messenger would be a nice protocol because some are in the > process of shifting to linux and still windows is used. No please! Yahoo messenger is evil! IRC would be the best methinks. I don\'t know how your screenreader works, but I suppose you can use CGI:IRC. -- ---------------------------------------- Mrugesh Karnik GPG Key 0xBA6F1DA8 Public key on http://wwwkeys.pgp.net ----------------------------------------

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FOSS.IN/2006: Speaker/Talk Registration open
by Philip Tellis 25 Sep '06

25 Sep '06

---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2006 03:56:24 +0530 (IST) From: Atul Chitnis Speaker and talks registration for FOSS.IN/2006 is now open. Read about FOSS.IN/2006 at http://foss.in/2006 then read the Call for Participation at http://foss.in/2006/info/Call_for_Participation and then register at https://foss.in/2006/cfp/speakers/ Please remember that the last date for putting in your talk proposals will be October 8th, midnight GMT+0530. If you hav questions, join the mailing list at http://group.yahoo.com/group/foss-in and join the discussions there! Atul -- FOSS.IN/2006 Nov 24-26, Bangalore, India http://foss.in/2006 Talk Submission now open!

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Re: Wiki Contrib: Installing Redhat Linux 9.0
by Roshan 25 Sep '06

25 Sep '06

Dinesh Shah Wrote: > Please do ahead with all means. Don't worry about > it's usefulness. > Someone, some where can always benefit and they will > thank you for > such how-to if it really helps them. Ok. I have one vote for it. I shall go ahead with this. Hopefully, no one will delete the entire article in the wiki. :) __________________________________________________________ Yahoo! India Answers: Share what you know. Learn something new http://in.answers.yahoo.com/

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Wiki Contrib: Installing Redhat Linux 9.0
by Roshan 24 Sep '06

24 Sep '06

Hello All, I plan to write a HOW-to (indeed, HOW I Installed RH9) and contribute to the wiki. For many(Windows -> GNU/Linux migrated), Installing RH9 would be similar installing Windows 98SE on a newly purchased machine with Intel 915/925/945 motherboard, a SATA HDD, PS/2 Keyboard and Mouse, DVD Combo drive! I plan to write this HOW-to because, it has worked for me and for many of my friends (1 year ago) If you ask why not Ubuntu 6.06 or Debian or Fedora Core x, that's because, I haven't done it yet, myself. However, I think, the installation procedure would be similar if not same. So, list members, let me know if I should go ahead with this HOW-to or FORGET about it! __________________________________________________________ Yahoo! India Answers: Share what you know. Learn something new http://in.answers.yahoo.com/

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Help wanted - ideas
by sankalp shere 24 Sep '06

24 Sep '06

--------------------------------- Find out what India is talking about on - Yahoo! Answers India Send FREE SMS to your friend's mobile from Yahoo! Messenger Version 8. Get it NOW Hello, I'm sorry about my first mail that conveyed the feeling that i'm a lazy student who wants the project on silver platter. This being our very first big project (It's a BE project) on our own, I was bit more excited and frustrated too. Thats it for now. I'll let you people know about the progress of my project and the obstacles i'll be facing. Bye, Take care.

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help needed installing emacspeak on ubuntu.
by krishnakant Mane 23 Sep '06

23 Sep '06

hello all. if I have to use ubuntu linux with a good command line talking desktop, I need emacspeak to run with festival. I tried installing deb packages of emacs and emacspeak. but they don't seam to work fine. can any one help me do it? since my net is too slow, apt-get is not going to help any ways and my linux connection to internet is not happening because the raspppoe protocol is not getting configured on my machine with 2 lan cards. Krishnakant.

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GNU/Linux adoption in Kerala
by Roshan 23 Sep '06

23 Sep '06

hello All, The list has been receiving emails about GNU/Linux adoption. Here's something to cheer up and encourage the same. http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/06_40/b4003069.htm I hope the link does not break to badly to be copied and pasted on to the address bar. __________________________________________________________ Yahoo! India Answers: Share what you know. Learn something new http://in.answers.yahoo.com/

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Re: IRC Channel GNU-India
by Roshan 23 Sep '06

23 Sep '06

> Please don't base your thinking on absurd > assumptions. People don't > communicate over Private Messages on IRC. #gnu-india > remains silent for > most of the time mainly because all the active > members of that channel > are also present on other channels. Some active > members are also busy > and are mostly away from keyboard. Oh ok. My assumption was purely based on Ubuntu's IRC. I now, know, I wasn't correct. > But what about you? You were there on the channel > for precisely 8+9=17 > minutes. That surely doesn't qualify you to make > such a comment. I agree. I thought of initializing by sending a message. But, I waited for someone else to initilize. My comment did not have any intentions to hurt, and I hope I did not. __________________________________________________________ Yahoo! India Answers: Share what you know. Learn something new http://in.answers.yahoo.com/

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Re: can any one help with a knopix cd?
by Roshan 23 Sep '06

23 Sep '06

Mehul Wrote: > OK I will get 3 CD's on Sunday. How about somewhere > near the railway station at about 12-12:30. Just > mail me > offlist is anyone is staying nearby. Then maybe I > can > deliver the cd at their place so it will be easier > for everyone to collect. OH..I have my lectures scheduled for tomorrow at 12:00 noon! Could that be a little early 11:00 am - 11:30 pm, if that is convenient for all? Or, if mehul, let me know when you could be free next, so that I can collect the CD from you. __________________________________________________________ Yahoo! India Answers: Share what you know. Learn something new http://in.answers.yahoo.com/

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Re: can any one help with a knopix cd?
by Roshan 23 Sep '06

23 Sep '06

> Krishnakant I will download the cd for you and can > give pass it to you on > sunday. Can both of you decide one place for sunday? I too would like to have a copy of 5.0.1. Please let me know the place and I'll pay for the media. So, mehul could you burn three CD's with Knoppix 5.0.1? __________________________________________________________ Yahoo! India Answers: Share what you know. Learn something new http://in.answers.yahoo.com/

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How to delete latest 10 files with Linux
by Sachin Chavan 23 Sep '06

23 Sep '06

*Hi all,* * * *Can someone tell me how to delete latest 10 files with Linux.* -- regards, -Sachin

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Re: Pitching Linux to corporates?
by BombayNews 23 Sep '06

23 Sep '06

Chanced upon a rundown cybercafe at Aurangabad where some of the computers ran on linux. can't remember the flavor right now. But the chap who ran the establishment usually left the machines on. He only 'ported' the logos of Internet Explorer and MS Office onto the desktop so an unsuspecting client clicking these had Firefox or Open Office opening up! The guy told me most of the people didn't even know the difference! Those who asked were simply told that Firefox was the latest version of Internet Explorer!!! I think a similar effort would have all the banias and small businessmen queuing up to install linux. Just install linux onto a laptop with whatever additional software required and ask the blokes to find the difference...... Shiv Kumar

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IRC Channel GNU-India
by Roshan 23 Sep '06

23 Sep '06

Hello List Members, I don't know how many of you have used an IRC client software in your GNU/Linux distro or Microsoft Windows, but a few days back I was trying out KSirc (a IRC client available in RH9), and found out that GNU/INDIA is a channel on irc.freenode.net But it has its glory in its silence! No one talks publicly, there's possibly only one to one communication. PM's to one another. Anyone been on the Channel before or currently logs on? __________________________________________________________ Yahoo! India Answers: Share what you know. Learn something new http://in.answers.yahoo.com/

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Re: can any one help with a knopix cd?
by Roshan 22 Sep '06

22 Sep '06

> On 9/22/06, Mehul Mane wrote: > Well I will be coming to Matunga on Sunday, maybe > then I can hand over the > CD's to you'll. As for the DVD I guess you'll will > have to wait till > Tuesday, it's with my friend. I will burn a copy for > all those who want it > once I get it. > Just tell me about the number of CD's and DVD's > required. And what media > should I burn it on. Mehul, as far as the mails to the list, you have to burn 3 copies (2 -> Mr. Krishnakant and Mr. Rony, 1-> Roshan(me)) and I suppose a Moser baer CD for the three of us should work out. Let us know the exact location in Matunga, preferably as PM to us. Near the Railway Station? East or West? and a notable LANDMARK. As long as there are transport systems in Mumbai, The Suburban trains and BEST buses, I think I'll reach places in Mumbai. __________________________________________________________ Yahoo! India Answers: Share what you know. Learn something new http://in.answers.yahoo.com/

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Re: can any one help with a knopix cd?
by Roshan 22 Sep '06

22 Sep '06

> Rony wrote: > Hey Krish, > > Don't give out my details on this public list. I hope the moderators / admin of the list will remove / erase / hide the details in the archives. The list members should note that they should not give their / others personal details on emails this public list. They are available for search over the internet. __________________________________________________________ Yahoo! India Answers: Share what you know. Learn something new http://in.answers.yahoo.com/

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HELP PLEASE !!
by Ranjit Sapre 22 Sep '06

22 Sep '06

Hi all, I have installed Fedora Core 2. it does not boot, it gives the following error: modprobe: FATAL: Error inserting floppy (/lib/modules/2.6.5-1.358/kernel/drivers/block/floppy.ko): device busy can anyone suggest a fix? thanks, ranjit

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hello to all, I am new member
by Shradha Nair 21 Sep '06

21 Sep '06

hello, I am shradha, I am a new member on this list. Krishnakant Mane introduced me to this list as well as ubuntu linux. right now I am trying to setup yahoo messenger as Krishnakant may have already informed. by the way there is a strange thing I noticed while installing ubuntu 6.06. my net connection was on and the setup was checking the internet for packages. but with my 64 k cable connection on, and the setup completed, when I re booted my machine, I did not get x up and running with gnome. it came to the command line. next, I re installed the system and that time I on purpose switched off the modem. this time the setup was proper and I got gnome desktop up and running. what could be the problem? regards. shradha.

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[OT] Triband Filter
by Roshan 21 Sep '06

21 Sep '06

Hello All, Had anyone in the past faced a similar problem described below. When I switch on the power for my computer from Spike Guard, the ADSL Link/Act light of the D-Link Router starts blinking and keeps on blinking. When I lift the phone receiver, I hear sounds similar to modem handshake, along with the dial tone. Now, the ADSL Link/Act light comes to a standstill and I can connect to the internet when I log in to my OS. I called up MTNL on 1504, and they said the problem is with the filter. I have been given a complaint number. What I am interested to know is whether anyone has faced a similar problem, and, if yes, was it with the filter? If yes, did guys from MTNL replace / repair the filter? Or did they ask to purchase a new one? Where in Mumbai would it be available? __________________________________________________________ Yahoo! India Answers: Share what you know. Learn something new http://in.answers.yahoo.com/

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Installation voes.
by Rony Bill 21 Sep '06

21 Sep '06

Hello All, I wanted to introduce linux to an office so on a P4 machine with Gigabyte 915 mobo and 1 GB RAM, I tried to load Mandriva 2006 but during the first bootup process itself it threw a fatal error and aborted installation after getting up the first graphical screen successfully. Then I tried Kububtu 5.10 but it gave me a file reading error though my cd looks good and the drive is a DVD writer. Ultimately I sheepishly loaded Knoppix 4.0 in a live demo. While the CD reading can be due to media, the Mandriva should have loaded smoothly. After so many years of linux being around, this is not expected from it. Regards, Rony. ___________________________________________________________ Try the all-new Yahoo! Mail. "The New Version is radically easier to use" The Wall Street Journal http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html

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can any one help with a knopix cd?
by krishnakant Mane 21 Sep '06

21 Sep '06

helloJTD, Roni, Mukund and all my friends who guided me on this customising distro issue. I read the knopix remastering howto and find it very interesting. can any one burn a knopix cd for me? I don't have one and the internet connection speed will take another 3 days for the cd to download. thanking all. Krishnakant.

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Re: can any one help with a knopix cd?
by Roshan 21 Sep '06

21 Sep '06

> can any one burn a knopix cd for me? I can. I have Knoppix 3.9. Please let me know where can I meet you to give the same, "OFFLIST". If someone has a higher version, it would be better to obtain knoppix from him / her, and I would like to have copy of the same too! (knoppix 5.0.1) __________________________________________________________ Yahoo! India Answers: Share what you know. Learn something new http://in.answers.yahoo.com/

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Re: hello to all, I am new member
by Vivek Rai 20 Sep '06

20 Sep '06

> by the way there is a strange thing I noticed while installing ubuntu 6.06. > > my net connection was on and the setup was checking the internet for > > packages. but with my 64 k cable connection on, and the setup completed, > > when I re booted my machine, I did not get x up and running with gnome. > > it came to the command line. > i have a vague feeling that this could be because your ISP is assinging some IP address to u, and your X session is assuming 127.0.0.1 or something.

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