FSUG-Bangalore March 2006

fsug-bangalore@mm.gnu.org.in

18 participants
30 discussions

Propaganda regarding GPL conference
by Vikram Vincent 22 Mar '06

22 Mar '06

Hello group Request to all: We have an online group called bangalore_alive(a)googlegroups.com where we have dicussions aimed at raising the consciouness of the people. Can you all please post something related to the GPL conference, Free Software Movement, Etc... Many of the youth logged on are from the IT industry, apart from others and this will also enable us to involve them in the organizing activities. Thanks in advance. Vikram Vincent

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Re: [fsug-bangalore] Kororaa XGL the ultimate live CD
by प्रव ीण् ए (Praveen A) 22 Mar '06

22 Mar '06

2006/3/22, Arun M <arun(a)gnu.org.in>: > > Dear Praveen, > > I dont think it is a good idea to promote proprietary software and > technologies depending on > proprietary software. > Kororaa is Free Software distributed under GPL. http://linux.softpedia.com/get/System/Operating-Systems/Linux-Distributions… And XGL is and X.org project. I agree the non-availability of free drivers for 3d hardware acceleration support. So it won't work without using propritory drivers. Some of the teams already working on a Free driver http://r300.sourceforge.net/ Here you are suggesting readers to try out proprietary software. If we are > willing > to compromise freedom for some eye candy effects, what ever we do is > worthless. > I just wanted to give a link to the kororaa site. It again gives us another example of the trap like java and flash did, it is better not to have a software version that run on free OS but is proprietory. If there is a requirement someone will write it. If free of cost versions are avialable people easily compromise. It took so long to have a free java equivalent and flash still in the making. It was my fault to miss these examples. Again here is one common comment people make - It all depends on how far you are ready to go, your bios is not free. We have to use proprietory software untill a free alternative is available like GNU project used unix for development in earlier stages. One mistake we had with NITC event is that, at the end of the day when we > ask people > what free software - we get the answer "Xgl, 3D Desktop, DotGNU, Ruby, FUN > ....". I am not > suggesting these are unimportant. But they are nothing when we consider > freedom. > I agree completely. regards > arun. > -- "Value your freedom, or you will lose it, teaches history. `Don't bother us with politics', respond those who don't want to learn." -- Richard Stallman Me scribbles at http://www.pravi.co.nr

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Kororaa XGL the ultimate live CD
by प्रव ीण् ए (Praveen A) 22 Mar '06

22 Mar '06

http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20060313#interview Up until last week, Kororaa was a little-known distribution - a decent alternative of installing Gentoo Linux on one's hard disk, but otherwise nothing too exciting to write home about. Then all of a sudden, Kororaa shot to fame. Chris Smart (on the right) and Matthew Oliver, the two developers of the project, have released a live CD that integrates Xgl and Compiz with the proprietary NVIDIA and ATI graphics driver to create what is possibly the world's most spectacular Linux live CD. The stunning 3D effects combined with the fact that Kororaa Xgl has been pre-configured to work without any user intervention was an instant success.... The ultimate GNU/Linux Live CD Demoed at NIT Calicut and everyone got impressed. When Shreyas showed the XGL demo video everyone thought it might be some trick but when we showed it live on a real box every one was like Ohhhhhhhhhhh -- "Value your freedom, or you will lose it, teaches history. `Don't bother us with politics', respond those who don't want to learn." -- Richard Stallman Me scribbles at http://www.pravi.co.nr

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Regarding GPL conference
by Vikram Vincent 21 Mar '06

21 Mar '06

Hello group, With the GNU GPL conference coming close I was wondering why has the preparation for the event not started(atleast trying to get more people involved). Can someone please post the details of the conference and how we are going about it example manpower, propaganda, structure, etc... Is it in Bangalore??? Regards Vikram Vincent

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Topic for next Gnu(s) grazing: Free Software Business Model
by प्रव ीण् ए (Praveen A) 17 Mar '06

17 Mar '06

Hi Gnu heads, The Saturday meet was very interesting and we have to continue to build this team. I have been talking to Anush and Arky about some ftuture event details. Anush has volunteered to introduce python to gnus and he had some more ideas. So we have many themes for future meets and we will take one at a time. Don't be afraid of the long list. We will take one at a time. 1. Free Software Business Model (Arky suggested) We will get Free Software products/services companies like Redhat, Novell, Spike Source, Deeproot Linux ... to talk about their business model. Also we will have discussion about the business model that companies like IBM, HP, Sun chose to support Free Software. This would be better planned and executed in way to help us understand each other and enable us to pull together GPLv3 event. This can happen sometime in April. The venue could be BMS, PESIT or Saptagiri whichever comes forward first :-) 2. Introduction to python (Anush), Talk on perl hacks (Basil?), Ajax by Kushal (I hope you would be happy to do this), LAMP by Ramkrsna (I know you did this talk on last Software Freedom Day in Cochin) ... This will be happening in March 25 Gnu(s) grazing. Any of these topics I wouldn't be surprised if all of these happen too :-) This could happen at SJCE Mysore. Sandesh Kamath contacted me and he would like to have it on 25. If we could manage it we can all go to Mysore. [Well I'll be missing it as I have to attend my cousine's marriage]. If we are ready to go to Mysore Sandesh will take care of other issues. 3. Starting Free Software Companies(Anush suggested this idea). Well, Abhas can talk about his experience with Deeproot. 4. Free Software product development (This idea also suggested by Anush) If we could get some one working on Free Software products like JBoss, MySQL, Anjuta.... it would be great. 5. Gnu(s) grazing at Bandhipur (Again Anush). Around April end I'm in for this. 6. Also a discussion on: IP, patent, trade mark, also geographic indicators and software patents in a fast changing tech world Suggested by Dinesh Please put your hands togther for Anush. I tried to put these abstract ideas to a kind of road map that will lead up to GPLv3 event. Your ideas suggestions modifications are necessary. For the time being concentrate on 1 and 2. We can do others slowly. My 40 paise (Arky can snatch 20 paise from that :-) Regards Praveen -- "Value your freedom, or you will lose it, teaches history. `Don't bother us with politics', respond those who don't want to learn." -- Richard Stallman Me scribbles at http://www.pravi.co.nr

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GNOME Automation - Volunteers ?
by Nagappan 16 Mar '06

16 Mar '06

Hi, Will some one be interested in taking GNOME automation projects ? Something like automating Nautilus / Gaim / Evolution / Gedit. Some example scripts: Gaim automation scripts using LDTP - http://mutt.in/~prash/files/gaim/ Evolution - http://webcvs.freedesktop.org/ldtp/pyautosuite/evolution/ Gedit - http://mutt.in/~nagappan/gedit-example.tar.bz2, http://webcvs.freedesktop.org/ldtp/pyautosuite/gedit/ Thanks Nagappan -- Nagappan A <anagappan(a)novell.com> Novell Software Development (I) Pvt. Ltd. Linux Desktop Testing Project - http://ldtp.freedesktop.org http://nagappanal.blogspot.com/

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[News]Enigma Project Cracks Code
by Rakesh 'arky' Ambati 15 Mar '06

15 Mar '06

FYI --arky BBC NEWS | Technology | Enigma project cracks second code http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/low/technology/4808882.stm -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Wednesday, 15 March 2006, 12:09 GMT Enigma project cracks second code ]A German Enigma machine Online codebreaking enthusiasts working to solve a series of German World War II ciphers have cracked the second of three codes. Thousands of users around the world have joined the M4 Project, using spare computing power to crack the codes. The messages were encoded using the German Enigma machine, and outfoxed wartime experts at Bletchley Park. Project leaders have already failed to crack the last remaining message, but insist it can be broken. The three messages were unearthed by amateur historian Ralph Erskine, who submitted them to a cryptology journal in 1995 as a challenge for codebreakers. Last crack They were sent in 1942, during a period when the Allies were unable to crack German codes because of the introduction of a new code book and a more complex version of the Enigma machine. SOLVED CIPHER #2 * Found nothing on convoy's course 55°, [I am] moving to the ordered [naval] square. Position naval square AJ 3995. [wind] south-east [force] 4, sea [state] 3, 10/10 cloudy, [barometer] [10]28 mb [and] rising, fog, visibility 1 nautical mile Nazi codes cracked online Stephan Krah, a German enthusiast, wrote the M4 Project software - named after the M4 Enigma machine used to encode the messages - in an effort to unravel the codes' mystery. The first code was cracked on 20 February, and was confirmed as a message from the commander of a German U-boat, Kapitanleutenant Hartwig Looks. The second resolved code was less dramatic than the first, which detailed the aftermath of a clash with an Allied vessel. The newly-deciphered code is little more than a status report and a confirmation of position. THE UNSOLVED CIPHER * HCEY ZTCS OPUP PZDI UQRD LWXX FACT TJMB HDVC JJMM ZRPY IKHZ AWGL YXWT MJPQ UEFS ZBCT VRLA LZXW VXTS LFFF AUDQ FBWR RYAP SBOW JMKL DUYU PFUQ DOWV HAHC DWAU ARSW TXCF VOYF PUFH VZFD GGPO OVGR MBPX XZCA NKMO NFHX PCKH JZBU MXJW XKAU OD?Z UCVC XPFT Confirming the break on the M4 Project website, Stefan Krah said efforts would now shift back to the last message, actually the first of the three original submissions. Previous efforts to crack the code exhausted the combinations available on German army and three-ring Enigma machines, but did not try all combinations relevant to the complex four-ring Enigma used to encode the messages. --------------------------------------------------------------------------

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[Info-gplv3] GPLv3 Update #5
by प्रव ीण् ए (Praveen A) 15 Mar '06

15 Mar '06

Hi, Some updates of the GPLv3 revision. Bangalore will be hosting a GPLv3 international conference in August 23,24 (announcement will follow). RMS and other FSF folks are expected to come. Don't miss this chance. Plan for the event now itself. Regards Praveen A - Welcome to the GPLv3 Update, #5. - What is "TiVo-ization"? - Other recent FSF writing about DRM and GPLv3 - GPLv3 commenting system debuts new features - Calendar reminders - Your support is needed! * What is "TiVo-ization"? GPLv3 is designed to resist "TiVo-ization". But what does "TiVo-ization" really mean? Jonathan Zuck is the president of the Association for Competitive Technology, a Microsoft front group. In a recent C-Net editorial, he wrote that "TiVo-ization" means "the merging of free and proprietary software into a single system." It does not. TiVo was far from the first company to do this, as Zuck points out. Red Hat, IBM, and many other companies do this. FSF's problem with TiVo is not that TiVo makes proprietary software, or that that proprietary software runs on a free software operating system. Of course, FSF opposes all proprietary software, whether or not it's mingled with free software -- but TiVo is far from unique in that respect. What TiVo has done differently is make it intentionally difficult for users to improve the free software portions of their system. They use encryption and digital signatures to prevent changes to any portion of the systems -- <b>even the GPL portions</b>. Of course, many talented hackers have worked around these systems. But it is not an easy task, and must be done every time TiVo upgrades their system. TiVo users want access to the free software components for all sorts of reasons. They want to install bigger hard drives. They want to access their shows via other devices (for instance, copy small versions to portable video devices to take them on the road). And they want to build their own Personal Video Recorder software. All of these can be done without affecting TiVo's proprietary software at all. "TiVo-ization" means building systems on top of free software that restrict users's freedoms to modify that software itself. Without the ability to upgrade, the freedom to make modifications is useless. And that's one of the freedoms the GPL was always intended to protect. ** For other recent FSF writing about DRM and GPLv3, see: - Reaction to the DRM clause in GPLv3 by David Turner "One common view among programmers is that the GPL should say nothing at all about DRM, because DRM is a technical problem, and can be solved by technical means...But even if it were acceptable to have DRM from which programmers could free themselves, that's not the DRM we have in 2006." <http://www.fsf.org/blogs/licensing/gplv3-drm> - Free software without the freedom? by John Sullivan "John Carroll is correct in his article...that the GNU GPL is designed to uphold ideals. He is wrong about what those ideals are, and about what their relationship is to free software development models." <http://www.fsf.org/blogs/community/drm-carroll> * GPLv3 commenting system debuts new features In the new version of the GPLv3 commenting system made live today, the discussion around DRM has people "seeing red". Not because they are angry, but because the new system color-codes words in the draft text based on how many comments each area of the text has received. (The phrase "technological protection" in Section 3 is the current leader.) You can now see at a glance where the most active discussions are occurring. We've also implemented one of the most requested features --- you can now click on text in the draft and see all of the comments that have been made in reference to that text. Further improvements have also been made in compatibility with the multitude of browsers in use. We hope these changes will make it easier for you to participate, to help draft the best license possible. Please leave your comments at <http://gplv3.fsf.org/comment>. For those who prefer the "classic" view without the highlighting, you can still <http://gplv3.fsf.org/comments/classic.html> instead. * Calendar reminders - 2006 March 16: FOSS Means Business. Belfast, Northern Ireland. Richard Stallman will be speaking on GPLv3 as part of the event. See <http://foss-means-business.org>. - 2006 March 18: Torino, Italy. Richard Stallman will be speaking about GPLv3 at a conference organized by FSF Europe. See <http://www.italy.fsfeurope.org/projects/gplv3/gplv3-torino.en.html>. - 2006 April 1: Cambridge, Massachusetts, USA. Richard Stallman, Eben Moglen and the FSF staff and board members will be speaking at the FSF Associate Member Meeting on GPLv3. See <http://www.fsf.org/associate/meetings/2006>. - 2006 April 21 & 22: Porto Alegre, Brazil. The second international GPLv3 conference, during the 7th International Free Software Forum (which goes April 19th to 22nd). See <http://gplv3.fsf.org/wiki/index.php/International_conferences>. * Your support is needed Please support the continuation of this process by making a donation at <https://www.fsf.org/donate>, or by becoming an FSF associate member at <http://member.fsf.org>. There are also still t-shirts and hoodies with the GPLv3 logo available at <http://www.gnu.org/gear/gplv3-tshirt.html>. Thanks! Do you have suggestions for topics you'd like to see covered here? Please send your questions or ideas to <webmaster(a)gplv3.fsf.org>. -- John Sullivan, FSF Program Administrator _______________________________________________ Info-gplv3 mailing list Info-gplv3(a)gplv3.fsf.org http://gplv3.fsf.org -- "Value your freedom, or you will lose it, teaches history. `Don't bother us with politics', respond those who don't want to learn." -- Richard Stallman Me scribbles at http://www.pravi.co.nr

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Fwd: [eGovINDIA] What eGovernance Secretary Rajeev Chawla is,advising and doing in GOK amounts to Deception and Cheating.
by dinesh 14 Mar '06

14 Mar '06

is this a subject for a LUG or an FSUG folks to act upon? -dinesh From: Venkat Kumaraswamy <vmkumaraswamy(a)yahoo.com> To: Secretary E-GovernanceDPAR-AR <secyegov-dpar(a)karnataka.gov.in>, secyegov(a)karnataka.gov.in E KAVI, E Gov India, India RTI, Judicial Reforms & India Whistle Blower's Action Group Facilitating Emergence of New India: Based on Values of Transparency & Accountability, E Governance, Natural Justice, Human Rights and Human Dignity =============================================== March 14th 2006 Hello CS and other Secretaries of GOK, You all need to look into the activities of eGovernance Secretary Mr. Rajeev Chawla. He is leading GOK to Cheat and Deceive people of Karnataka and all others in GOK. GOK need to watch what is happenning in eGovernance in GOK !! Even countries like Singapore does not mention what platform to use. Singapore specifies in every tender "the applicaition software should be compatible for cross platform deployment". Why not Karnataka State and INDIA ? Even WORLD BANK suggests to use OPEN STANDARDS and OPEN SYSTEMS. Even our own President advises all of us to use OPEN SOURCE and OPEN STANDARDS in all our systems. Rajeev Chawla is favouring only ONE VENDOR for GOK. That is MICROSOFT. Rajeev Chawla has made GOK to sign MOU with MICROSOFT for PROJECT SHIKSHA. ___________________________________________ Bangalore one is on Microsoft Platform. Bangalore One TENDER Documents have been DOCTORED in such way that ONLY ONE PERSON can bid on the TENDER which used MICROSOFT SOFTWARE. There is a complained filed with LOKAYUKTHA on Bangalore One project. There is PIL filed and admitted in High Court on Bangalore one project. _______________________________________________________ Look at some of the implications of BHOOMI Project. This is going to haunt GOK in the future. Please look at the reports that have been sent to all of you. Bhoomi: "E-Governance", Or An Anti-Politics Machine Necessary to Globalize B'lore Bhoomi and the political economy of land Peri-urban Bangalore, Karnataka Karnataka was formed in 1956 by merging the princely state of Mysore with areas from other states and provinces: parts of Coorg, the princely state of Hyderabad, and the Bombay and Madras Presidencies. The link for 'land coalition' in Footnote 127, discusses the five governance regimes, various aspects of land management, and the functions of the Revenue department. Under the five governance regimes, land management systems recorded up to 1500 forms of tenures. BHOOMI - Some Critical Observations: Bhoomi Project has led to a shrinkage in the number of possible land-holding types from 1500 to under 100. What does this mean and what are the impacts of this? Bhoomi project represents an ideological shift from the social reform focus of land reforms to a purely technological phenomenon. From a purely technical point of view, Bhoomi project has locked itself into Proprietary Microsoft Software. The most vocal complaint of respondents has to do with the increased delays that have resulted after the launch of Bhoomi. Before Bhoomi, we were told, obtaining a copy of an RTC, or a mutation, took 2-3 days. These documents were made available at the village level via the VA and, as one small farmer put it, the work could be 'fast and efficient', at least in an emergency. After Bhoomi, all categories of landowners said that any significant change like a mutation takes 3-4 months. This delay may be related to the dependence of the farmers on agents or intermediaries. Often, if farmers visit the taluk office they lose their day's work, and they may find that either the computer is down or that there is a power cut. THERE ARE SO MANY COMPLAINTS on BHOOMI Project which you all need to look into the research Papers which will be provided to all of you. ___________________________________________ eProcurement Tendering in GOK. He is trying to favour C 1 INDIA. Please read what C 1 INDIA is facing. Sub: C1 India affairs Please find below one more affair of C1 India management affair, Karnataka has come up with a Tender for eProcurement on PPP model as of Andhra Pradesh, Please look in to the matter if Good Business Practices can be ensured: Covansys has partnered C1 India Pvt. Ltd, a delhi based for offering eTendering solution to MPLUN, Madhya Pradesh, India.company which is in engaged in Rs. 38000 Crore eTendering scam in Andhra Pradesh, India. For more details log on to www.mpez.net C1 India has a IPR Theft case filed against them by a company called Antares System, Based out of Bangalore India. The case is pending in Delhi High Court, India. C1 India is engaged in another legal battle with a company called Nextenders, based out of Mumbai for NIC Tender for eTendering solution. The same case in pending in Delhi High Court, India. C1 India is engaged in another legal battle for a tender for eTendering software floated by MMTC, India. The case is pending in Delhi High Court, India. In MPLUN Tender, Covansys/C1 India JV is not Lowest Bidder. The lowest bidder is as per our market intelligence a MP based company _________________________________ GOK Karnataka Food & Civil Supplies Tendering is also on the wrong footting by using BHOOMI INFRASTRUCTURE. Tender for the computerization of food and civil supplies, favors microsoft. But to keep everyone in dark the tender has been written in a manner that it looks as if the entire software is free of cost. Amounts to Deception and Cheating. GoK is asking the vendors to use the Bhoomi infrastructure at the tehsil level (which is on Microsoft) for application development and implementation. Phase I of KFCS tender will just get the application build on Microsoft platform and deployed this year. Next year when this is over, GoK will place order on Microsoft for licenses purchase and hardware up gradation. The project value at present is estimated at 8 crores which includes mere 1 crore of application development and deployment and remaining money for ration card printing and distribution. Where as in the phase II, its going to be Rs. 22 Crore order on Microsoft, the application developer and hardware vender. In near future it will start bleeding by paying huge sums of money as license fee to Microsoft. Regarding .NET, it is a white elephant when a more powerful application software development environment in the form of SUN's Netbeans is available free. This includes the Struts framework which is very very powerful and time tested. This is open and free too. Whereas .NET is a new platform. Except the name of microsoft, there is nothing special about it. It is yet to gain full popularity among users whereas J2EE architecture which is open and supported by SUN/IBM/Oracle etc., through packages such as Netbeans, Tomcat etc., is more popular in the world. In enterprise environment people prefer only J2EE. This includes Singapore e-governance efforts. Analysis on the civil supplies tender: If it is a web based application, then there is no licencing involved at the Taluk level even if it is microsoft product. But quoting this they are trying to add a processor which is not essential as in the web based application the entire load would be taken by the web server and not the local server. So, by adding a processor they are tying to pay additional money to Microsoft. At the State level if they are adding additional servers they need to pay full licence to microsoft. For example .NET licence and mssql server multi processor licence. Also they may have to pay for the additional processor use of IIS server (web server software) Here Oracle and Db2 would also charge licencing fee for the database but not for the deployment software unless the government wants oracle application server or IBM's websphere. Currently the GOK may be using microsoft's internet information server (IIS) paying a huge licencing fee. The alternative is open source deployment software such as apache's tomcat or resin or jboss. All these packages are available free. Apache tomcat is supported by Apache foundation, sun micro systems, Novell and IBM. The point is that a fair deal is denied to OTHERS who are competitors to Microsoft. This is improper. Let them give a fair chance to quote for their database and in the quote if they become L1 they should be allowed to deploy their database and or application deployment software too. In the name of saving money they are trying to promote microsoft. This has to be stopped by GOK. GOK need to agree for an OS neutral database, application software and deployment software. Singapore specifies in every tender "the applicaition shoftware should be compatible for cross platform deployment". Why not Karnataka and India? If we say cross platform, then .NET, Internet information server and ms sql server are out of the race. Because they are not cross platform. They will work only under microsoft environment. Whereas Db2 and oracle would work under microsoft and linux environment. ____________________________ Now Mr. Rajeev Chawla has called for TENDERS for: 1. Procurement of Servers for Bhoomi Project at various Taluks. 2. Procurement of Laser Printers for Bhoomi Project at various Taluks. 3. Procurement of Blade Servers for State Data Center Augmentation. All of the TENDERING process and documents for the above favours only one VENDOR. Documents are prepared in such a way that ONE VENDOR can only bid on these TENDERS. IS THIS TRANSPARENCY in GOK? _______________________________________ Mr. Rajeev Chawla has neglected the Kannada Software Development in Karnataka State. With all these things happenning, GOK need to watch !! If any questions on these, I would be willing to answer and write to all of you. Thanks Sincerely signed by V. M. Kumaraswamy, MBA

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Monday 20th, 6PM: who makes the tea and who surfs the net?]
by dinesh 14 Mar '06

14 Mar '06

Another IT/Society discussion gathering on Monday the 20th of March at 6PM. Location: Servelots, 3354 KR Road, Bangalore Directions: see below Networked politics and the everyday practices of activism: who makes the tea and who surfs the net? by Sky Croeser The small interactions and processes that make up a movement's everyday work have a larger impact on its achievements than is popularly acknowledged. This is particularly the case with the global justice movement, which aims to show that 'another world is possible' through activism that links local, national, regional and intercontinental ideas, groups and individuals. The global justice movement is a fluid and unbounded phenomenon, but it is bound together by two main projects: to oppose neoliberal globalisation and - most importantly, I believe - to build a better world here and now, through movement activities. I argue that this cannot come about without paying attention to the details of how we network, and how we communicate. Ideology is important. The issues we address are important. But more important is who is included in our growing networks and who isn't, because this determines the kind of world we are building and whether we are simply repeating the same old mistakes. Questions of inclusion and exclusion are not decided purely in our pronouncements and overt decisions - they are also decided by how we publicise meetings, what forms of protest we use, our daily interactions with others, and whether we choose to use - or not to use - particular technologies. Related to this is the issue of information management. My work has made it clear that there is a lot of productive and valuable work that is going on that remains off the radar for those it might be most valuable to. A project or campaign not only needs to be aimed in the right direction, it also has to be self-propagating if it is to succeed - others need to become aware of it in order to joinjoin or learn from its successes. I will be giving a short talk about some of these issues in relation to my work on the opposition to genetically modified food in Karnataka, and how it relates to the broader global justice movement. Afterwards there will be a discussion and I invite debate, constructive criticism, and especially thought on how we can improve the links between various projects and groups. Sky Croeser is a PhD student from School of Social and Cultural Studies University of Western Australia, who one day landed in Bangalore and started looking for groups involved in similar interests. Directions to the Venue: http://pantoto.com/p/UpLoad/tmdb/bhairava/f/Directions.gif

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