FSUG-Bangalore May 2006

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RE: [fsug-bangalore] Re: [IHUG] Re: [fsug-bangalore] Hurd Hackers meet this weekend
by rakesh_ambati＠yahoo.com 14 May '06

14 May '06

Original Message: ----------------- From: à¤ªà¥*à¤°à¤µà¥*à¤£à¥* à¤* (Praveen A) pravi.a(a)gmail.com Date: Sat, 13 May 2006 17:59:56 +0530 To: fsug-bangalore(a)lists.deeproot.co.in, i-hug-discuss(a)lists.sarovar.org Subject: [fsug-bangalore] Re: [IHUG] Re: [fsug-bangalore] Hurd Hackers meet this weekend Hi All, We met today and had a lot of discussions on the GNU/Hurd Operating system and how we can start contributing to it. ------------------ I have added my name to list of members working on Email Translator project on Hurd.in, would be helping out in testing your translator code and doing bit of monkey testing and hopefully write some man pages. Any chance of adding man/info pages with your code hurd hackers? Cheers --arky -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ .

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[Hurd] Hurd @ BMS
by rakesh_ambati＠yahoo.com 14 May '06

14 May '06

Original Message: ----------------- From: Nirmal Thacker nirmalthacker(a)gmail.com Date: Sun, 14 May 2006 00:19:58 +0530 To: fsug-bangalore(a)lists.deeproot.co.in Subject: Re: [fsug-bangalore] Re: [IHUG] Re: [fsug-bangalore] Hurd Hackers meet this weekend hi guys, @praveen, arky: a few of us from bms, bout 3/4 , are really interested to start right away with hurd... we could'nt be there because of a placement related exam and seminar... can you guys give us a starting point.... Hi Nirmal, Perhaps you can download the Anand Babu's Talk on Hurd at IIsc and watch it with friends at BMS computer club. And also participate in Hurd.in transalator developer initiative. Cheers --arky -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ .

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[Hurd]Email Translator
by rakesh_ambati＠yahoo.com 13 May '06

13 May '06

Hi Hurd Hackers, >I couldn't see your name there, may be editing simulateously or something like that. No Problem I'll be the invisible member of the team. >There was a big debate on #hurd about this and I got a lot of comments/ideas.Plan9 already implement mail as translator. So we can have a look at that. That's a good sign, Godspeed Hurd Hackers. Meanwhile, I'll get the introductory document on translators in hurd done. Cheers --arky -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ .

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RE: [fsug-bangalore] New member
by rakesh_ambati＠yahoo.com 13 May '06

13 May '06

Original Message: ----------------- From: Shakthi Kannan shakthimaan(a)gmail.com Date: Sat, 13 May 2006 22:37:54 +0530 To: fsug-bangalore(a)lists.deeproot.co.in Subject: [fsug-bangalore] New member Greetings! I just joined this group and thought will say a hello. My name is Shakthi Kannan, a free software developer. Hello Shakthi, Welcome to FSUG-Bangalore Shakthi, We do keep track of the events you folks organize at chennai. Cheers --arky -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ .

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New member
by Shakthi Kannan 13 May '06

13 May '06

Greetings! I just joined this group and thought will say a hello. My name is Shakthi Kannan, a free software developer. You can check out my stuff from: http://www.shakthimaan.com Hope to participate and contribute as much as possible. I came to know about this group from Aanjhan. Thanks for that. Best regards, SK -- Shakthi Kannan http://www.shakthimaan.com

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RE: [Bulk] [fsug-bangalore] How is a root owned file created by unprevileged user a probem?
by rakesh_ambati＠yahoo.com 13 May '06

13 May '06

Hi Fellows, > Let define the problem first and then find a solution :-) I raised the >concern in #hurd channel and geot this response <manuel> the only problem with root-owned files are the setuid/setgid bits, AFAICS Thank you for bringing up this issue, I think its really bad to approach HURD with traditional UNIX ideas, because 'GNU is Not Unix'. Ever since the beginning of time (UNIX epoch that is) files with 'root' or '0' ownership is treated with greatest fear by we admins. I need to learn more about the security architecture of HURD throughly. Cheers --arky -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ .

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Email as a Filesystem
by प्रव ीण् ए (Praveen A) 13 May '06

13 May '06

*How cool it would be if the email becomes similar to snail mail?* http://hurd.in/bin/view/Main/EmailFS Happy Hacking Praveen A -- "Value your freedom, or you will lose it, teaches history. `Don't bother us with politics', respond those who don't want to learn." -- Richard Stallman Me scribbles at http://www.pravi.co.nr

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How is a root owned file created by unprevileged user a probem?
by प्रव ीण् ए (Praveen A) 13 May '06

13 May '06

Hi Arky, Let define the problem first and then find a solution :-) I raised the concern in #hurd channel and geot this response Happy Hacking Praveen <j4v4m4n> we had a hurd demo today <j4v4m4n> so there was this question about security assocated with the unprevileged "login" user <j4v4m4n> the files created by the user is owned by root <j4v4m4n> how can this be explained to a unix guy? <j4v4m4n> he was very upset with this, I couldn't explain the reasons <bvk> can a guest *create* files? i thought he gets only read access -- i never tried though <manuel> depends on the fourth set of permission bits <manuel> j4v4m4n: actually it's set to the owner and group owner of the parent directory <manuel> j4v4m4n: how is that a problem? * OdyX has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) <manuel> since the setuid/setgid bit is ignored when it's created by an unprivileged process * schlesix (n=thomas(a)xdsl-81-173-230-41.netcologne.de) has joined #hurd <j4v4m4n> manuel, how can we explain it to a guy from unix background that anyone can create a file with root as an owner? <manuel> j4v4m4n: well just ask him why is that a problem <j4v4m4n> manuel, :-) <j4v4m4n> manuel, I'll do that <manuel> the only problem with root-owned files are the setuid/setgid bits, AFAICS -- "Value your freedom, or you will lose it, teaches history. `Don't bother us with politics', respond those who don't want to learn." -- Richard Stallman Me scribbles at http://www.pravi.co.nr

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Re: [IHUG] Re: [fsug-bangalore] Hurd Hackers meet this weekend
by प्रव ीण् ए (Praveen A) 13 May '06

13 May '06

Hi All, We met today and had a lot of discussions on the GNU/Hurd Operating system and how we can start contributing to it. We have identified some small tasks to do as a beginning. 1. GNU packaging/archives a. Investigate on UnionFS to use for the GNU packaging/archive -> Praveen A 2. Email as a Translator a. Investigate on SMTP -> Vikram Vincent b. IMAP -> Isaac c. POP -> (open to anyone interested to build POP3 functionality to Email translator) 3./etc/password translator a. libtrivfs translator tutorial .... Open for anyone interested 4. Blog translator (for blogger, wordpress...) 5. Flickr translator 6. Documentation a. Setting up a GNU/Hurd Box - HOWTO -> Sandeep b. Translators HOWTO -> Arky We will update the progress through the list (AB: we need a mailing list for hurd.in) Looking forward to participation from others. Happy Hacking Praveen PS: Add your comments to http://hurd.in/bin/view/Main/Minutes -- "Value your freedom, or you will lose it, teaches history. `Don't bother us with politics', respond those who don't want to learn." -- Richard Stallman Me scribbles at http://www.pravi.co.nr

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Re: [fsug-bangalore] Re: [IHUG] Re: [fsug-bangalore] Hurd Hackers meet this weekend
by harsha reddy 13 May '06

13 May '06

Hi Buddies Me searched this link, it is damn useful for beginner like me to get a guile kick start (sakkath hot maga!!!!) http://pleac.sourceforge.net/pleac_guile/index.html The project name is PLEAC - Programming Language Examples Alike Cookbook > ----- Original Message ----- > From: " à¤ªà¥à¤°à¤µà¥à¤£à¥ à¤ (Praveen A)" <pravi.a(a)gmail.com> > To: "Isaac Praveen" <isaac(a)deeproot.co.in> > Subject: [fsug-bangalore] Re: [IHUG] Re: [fsug-bangalore] Hurd Hackers meet this weekend > Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 20:34:04 +0530 > > > 12 May 2006 16:26:33 +0530, Isaac Praveen <isaac(a)deeproot.co.in>: > > > Good idea. What time are we meeting tommorrow then ? Cubbon Park ? > > > Tomorrow 2.30 pm Cafe Coffee Day , Cunningham Road. (Cubbon park is risky > with the rains :-) ) > > Some more deatails of what we are gonna discuss. We will split each task to > small logical ones and start working on those as soon as possible. > > ,---- > > | > > | Well these are the ideas I would like to work on > > | > > | 1. Filesystem as package manager > > | > > | No need for a separate database and file format for packages. > > | > > | /packages/meta - contains information about the available packages like > > | dependencies /packages/binary - contains binary files from a package > > | /packages/source - source code files > > | > > | unionfs will give a merged view of these package files in the / like > > | /bin /lib /var ... > > | > > | so if you install a package from source like > > | > > | ./configure --prefix=/packages/binary/emacs ; make; make install will > > | have all the binary files in /packages/binary/emacs direcory and it > > | will be immediately available to everyone and it is recognised by the > > | packaging system wothout any other commands or configuration > > | > > | to check whether you have emacs installed > > | > > | ls /packages/binary/emacs is enough to update the metadata rsync can be > > | used > > | > > | More details has to be thought of and finalised. > > > > Tasks: > > a. Investigate on Unionfs and find out how to show /packages/binary/*/lib > as /lib > b. Design a strategy to resolve dependencies > > | > > | 2. Filesystem as email client. > > | > > | Use fetchmail to get email from server and use mboxfs to extract the > > | email info. Use any editor be it vi, emacs or gedit to read. > > | > > | To write a mail we will use a write only file system. You just drag and > > | drop to a folder and the mail is sent. We can have this icon in the > > | panel (the traditional mail box makes sense here, you post it to the > > | box and it is gone). > > > a. Read up RFC for IMAP and design an IMAP to mbox translator (check if one > exists already) > b. Same for SMTP (It is going to be trickier though) > > | > > | 3. Flexible backends for /etc/passwd file. > > | > > | Use mysql, pgsql, ldap ... for authentication and create a translator > > | for /etc/passwd so than zero configuration is required for all other > > | programmes. > > > a. Implement a simple single file filesystem. > > | > > | If you have an idea, we can discuss that as well > > > > We can discuss each in detail tomorrow and may be split up to even smaller > tasks and lets each take up tasks that interests us. if someone feels not > yet ready for jumping right away into coding > we can think of some simple tasks which does not require hurd specific > knowledge > > a. Documentation > b. A demo and presentaion (can have different levels from introduction to > deeper knowledge). > c. Maintain hurd.in wiki. > d. Be a manager to the team, many might wanna be a boss :-) The tasks > include getting people to meetup get them work on things. Motivate them .... > e. Be a Public Relations rep, how we can get more students to get on to > hurd... > > I am excited... Lets start hacking right away. > > | > > | Happy Hacking Praveen > > | > > | -- "Value your freedom, or you will lose it, teaches history. `Don't > > | bother us with politics', respond those who don't want to learn." -- > > | Richard Stallman Me scribbles at http://www.pravi.co.nr > > `---- > > > > Splendid . Will talk about this and more tommorrow :) > > > > > > isaac > > > > > > -- > > > > Isaac > > http://freeshell.in/~ike > > * I work at Deeproot Linux * > > http://deeproot.co.in > > -------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Indian GNU/Hurd Users Group - http://i-hug.sarovar.org > > To unsubscribe, email i-hug-discuss-request(a)lists.sarovar.org with > > "unsubscribe" in the subject or body of the message. > > http://lists.sarovar.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/i-hug-discuss > > > > > > > -- "Value your freedom, or you will lose it, teaches history. > `Don't bother us with politics', respond those who don't want to learn." > -- Richard Stallman > Me scribbles at http://www.pravi.co.nr > -- _______________________________________________ Check out the latest SMS services @ http://www.linuxmail.org This allows you to send and receive SMS through your mailbox. Powered by Outblaze

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