FSUG-Bangalore September 2008

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Re: [FSUG-Bangalore] FSUG-Bangalore Digest, Vol 29, Issue 38
by Hemanth H.M 19 Sep '08

19 Sep '08

*Take action: * Contact the CEO of EA and tell him NO to DRM in games! * <http://www.defectivebydesign.org/spore> * * Please digg:* <http://digg.com/gaming_news/Spore_and_more_activate_against_Electronic_Arts > Spore and More: Activate against Electronic Arts Electronic Arts (EA) and Amazon have been the targets of a justified online rebellion the last couple weeks. The impetus for the backlash is EA's use of Digital Restrictions Management (DRM) technology in its game Spore. As of right now, the game has received 2,226 1-star reviews on Amazon -- more than we've ever seen before -- and they are primarily focused on EA's DRM system. DefectiveByDesign members have tagged the game with tags like defectivebydesign and drm infected. The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts. Bertrand Russell I ask you only two questions : 1. Did u find joy in ur life? 2.How many found joy from ur life ?? -Hemanth HM On Thu, Sep 18, 2008 at 6:56 AM, <fsug-bangalore-request(a)mm.gnu.org.in>wrote: > Send FSUG-Bangalore mailing list submissions to > fsug-bangalore(a)mm.gnu.org.in > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://mm.gnu.org.in/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fsug-bangalore > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > fsug-bangalore-request(a)mm.gnu.org.in > > You can reach the person managing the list at > fsug-bangalore-owner(a)mm.gnu.org.in > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of FSUG-Bangalore digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Festival for Free and Open Source Software (Omshivaprakash H L) > 2. Re: Recognition for Madhu's work (Fwd: Bits from the Debian > GNU/Hurd porters) (sujith h) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 22:23:19 +0530 > From: Omshivaprakash H L <omshivaprakash(a)gmail.com> > Subject: [FSUG-Bangalore] Festival for Free and Open Source Software > To: Principal Support List of FSF-India <fsf-friends(a)mm.gnu.org.in>, > fsug-bangalore(a)mm.gnu.org.in > Message-ID: <48D135FF.7050807(a)gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://mm.gnu.org.in/pipermail/fsug-bangalore/attachments/20080917/d66189e0… > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 11:36:29 +0530 > From: "sujith h" <sujith.h(a)gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [FSUG-Bangalore] Recognition for Madhu's work (Fwd: Bits > from the Debian GNU/Hurd porters) > To: "Free Software Users Group - Bangalore" > <fsug-bangalore(a)mm.gnu.org.in> > Message-ID: > <425481400809152306m78bea5f8se4d1789a4d6494ff(a)mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > A big congratz from my side madhu... :) > > On Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 7:26 AM, Praveen A <pravi.a(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > Great Work Madhu !!! We are proud of you for the hard work you have > > done !!! It was such an important task and you have stood up to the > > challenge and delivered. > > > > And you truly deserve this special mention. I'm sure this would be a > > great motivations to many students. > > > > Keep up the good work. > > > > Happy Hacking > > Praveen > > > > PS: We should plan to give a special gift to Madhu on SFD to celebrate > > this. > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > > From: Michael Banck <mbanck(a)debian.org> > > Date: 2008/9/15 > > Subject: Bits from the Debian GNU/Hurd porters > > To: debian-devel-announce(a)lists.debian.org > > > > > > > > Hello, > > > > it has been more than three years since the last "Bits from the Debian > > GNU/Hurd porters"[1], high time for an update on the port. > > > > * Snapshot releases > > > > Three new snapshot releases have been done by Philip Charles, K14, K15 > > (which was only done as an updated mini CD-ISO, not a full snapshot), > > and K16. K16 has been released[2] on December 18th, 2007 featuring four > > CDs or two DVDs. Additionally, it also features a ready-to-go > > qemu-image[3] for the first time. K16 was also the first snapshot which > > included TLS (Thread Local Storage), a requirement for modern glibcs. > > New ported packages include Qt3, Qt4, SDL and Emacs22. > > > > * Base and toolchain status > > > > Currently, most base packages are current, with the notable exception of > > util-linux, which has been a big problem over the last years. However, > > Samuel Thibault got all outstanding issues of util-linux applied > > upstream so the version in experimental is mostly working. The > > toolchain is in pretty good shape as well since TLS support got > > implemented; we are using the current glibc, binutils and gcc Debian > > packages unmodified. > > > > * Xen support > > > > Besides qemu, which can be very slow to run, a Xen DomU port for GNU > > Mach has been made available by Samuel Thibault. It requires a non-PAE > > hypervisor and some minor manual tweaking, but is otherwise quite > > functional and stable already, see its wiki page[4] for further > > information. This will make people running the Hurd less dependent on > > specific hardware, as a lot of newer computers do not work with the > > underlying GNU Mach kernel anymore. > > > > * Autobuilder availability and archive coverage improved > > > > The percentage of packages built for Debian GNU/Hurd has improved from > > 40% to now nearly 60%[5] since the last Bits from the porters. Further, > > the backlog of outdated packages has been greatly reduced. This is due > > to the addition of two[6][7] Xen autobuilders earlier this year, which > > made the hurd-i386 autobuilders far more robust and fault-tolerant as > > they not need local admin attention anymore in case of problems with the > > GNU/Hurd guests. > > > > The remaining 40% of packages are either waiting for other packages to > > become available (see [8] for a (big) graph of those relationships) or > > are failing for some reason[9]; a complete list of build failures can be > > found at [10]. > > > > * Developer machine > > > > We are currently working on getting a general DD-accessible porter box > > setup. In the meantime, interested people can contact > > hurd-shell-account(a)gnu.org to get an account on one of the publically > > accessible (Debian) GNU/Hurd developer machines. For further details, > > see [11]. > > > > * Summer of Code 2008 > > > > This year, the GNU Hurd participated as its own organization at Google's > > Summer of Code, thanks to the coordination done by Olaf Buddenhagen[12]. > > All of the 5 projects were carried out quite successfully. The most > > practically relevant project for Debian GNU/Hurd was the implementation > > of a procfs translator[13] by Madhusudan C.S., which provides a > > traditional Unix-style /proc file system and the subsequent porting of > > the procps package, so utilities like pgrep etc. will be available after > > lenny, and procps Build-Depends no longer need to be special-cased on > > hurd-i386. > > > > Other GSoC projects were lisp bindings by Flavio Cruz, better system > > debugging and tracing by Andrei Barbu, namespace-based translator > > selection by Sergiu Ivanov and network virtualization by Zheng Da. More > > information on the details and outcome of those projects can be found on > > the wiki[14]. > > > > * Still no debian-installer > > > > Unfortunately, the Debian GNU/Hurd port still lacks d-i support. On the > > other hand, debootstrap now mostly works, even to cross-debootstrap a > > hurd-i386 installation from GNU/Linux, if one works around bug #498731. > > A relatively easy solution could be to use the GNU/Linux d-i to > > cross-install and setup a Debian GNU/Hurd system. People who have > > experience in d-i and possibly Debian GNU/Hurd are more than welcome to > > contact us at debian-hurd(a)lists.debian.org. > > > > > > for the Debian GNU/Hurd porters, > > > > Michael Banck > > > > [1] http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2005/07/msg00006.html > > [2] http://kerneltrap.org/node/15770 > > [3] > > > http://ftp.debian-ports.org/debian-cd/K16/debian-hurd-k16-qemu.img.tar.gz > > [4] http://www.bddebian.com/~wiki/microkernel/mach/gnumach/ports/xen/<http://www.bddebian.com/%7Ewiki/microkernel/mach/gnumach/ports/xen/> > <http://www.bddebian.com/%7Ewiki/microkernel/mach/gnumach/ports/xen/> > > [5] http://buildd.debian-ports.org/stats/ > > [6] > > > http://buildd.net/cgi/hostpackages.cgi?unstable_arch=hurd-i386&searchtype=b… > > [7] > > > http://buildd.net/cgi/hostpackages.cgi?unstable_arch=hurd-i386&searchtype=m… > > [8] http://dept-info.labri.fr/~thibault/tmp/graph-radial.pdf<http://dept-info.labri.fr/%7Ethibault/tmp/graph-radial.pdf> > <http://dept-info.labri.fr/%7Ethibault/tmp/graph-radial.pdf> > > [9] http://www.bddebian.com/~wiki/unsorted/PortingIssues/<http://www.bddebian.com/%7Ewiki/unsorted/PortingIssues/> > <http://www.bddebian.com/%7Ewiki/unsorted/PortingIssues/> > > [10] http://unstable.buildd.net/buildd/hurd-i386_Failed.html > > [11] http://www.bddebian.com/~wiki/public_hurd_boxen/<http://www.bddebian.com/%7Ewiki/public_hurd_boxen/> > <http://www.bddebian.com/%7Ewiki/public_hurd_boxen/> > > [12] http://code.google.com/soc/2008/hurd/about.html > > [13] http://packages.qa.debian.org/h/hurd/news/20080903T160206Z.html > > [14] http://www.bddebian.com/~wiki/community/gsoc/<http://www.bddebian.com/%7Ewiki/community/gsoc/> > <http://www.bddebian.com/%7Ewiki/community/gsoc/> > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > > Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) > > > > iD8DBQFIzjPUmHaJYZ7RAb8RAkmCAKCxBLS844Q8WvyXENlNFnVuZhOExACfXO4z > > BrH1xPVGGY57jXEMfWXn8Sg= > > =2F16 > > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > > > > > > > > -- > > ???????? ??????????????????? > > <GPLv2> I know my rights; I want my phone call! > > <DRM> What use is a phone call, if you are unable to speak? > > (as seen on /.) > > Join The DRM Elimination Crew Now! > > http://fci.wikia.com/wiki/Anti-DRM-Campaign > > > > _______________________________________________ > > FSUG-Bangalore mailing list > > FSUG-Bangalore(a)mm.gnu.org.in > > http://mm.gnu.org.in/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fsug-bangalore > > > > > > > -- > ?????? ???????? > Bangalore > http://fci.wikia.com/wiki/Anti-DRM-Campaign >

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Recognition for Madhu's work (Fwd: Bits from the Debian GNU/Hurd porters)
by Praveen A 18 Sep '08

18 Sep '08

Great Work Madhu !!! We are proud of you for the hard work you have done !!! It was such an important task and you have stood up to the challenge and delivered. And you truly deserve this special mention. I'm sure this would be a great motivations to many students. Keep up the good work. Happy Hacking Praveen PS: We should plan to give a special gift to Madhu on SFD to celebrate this. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Michael Banck <mbanck(a)debian.org> Date: 2008/9/15 Subject: Bits from the Debian GNU/Hurd porters To: debian-devel-announce(a)lists.debian.org Hello, it has been more than three years since the last "Bits from the Debian GNU/Hurd porters"[1], high time for an update on the port. * Snapshot releases Three new snapshot releases have been done by Philip Charles, K14, K15 (which was only done as an updated mini CD-ISO, not a full snapshot), and K16. K16 has been released[2] on December 18th, 2007 featuring four CDs or two DVDs. Additionally, it also features a ready-to-go qemu-image[3] for the first time. K16 was also the first snapshot which included TLS (Thread Local Storage), a requirement for modern glibcs. New ported packages include Qt3, Qt4, SDL and Emacs22. * Base and toolchain status Currently, most base packages are current, with the notable exception of util-linux, which has been a big problem over the last years. However, Samuel Thibault got all outstanding issues of util-linux applied upstream so the version in experimental is mostly working. The toolchain is in pretty good shape as well since TLS support got implemented; we are using the current glibc, binutils and gcc Debian packages unmodified. * Xen support Besides qemu, which can be very slow to run, a Xen DomU port for GNU Mach has been made available by Samuel Thibault. It requires a non-PAE hypervisor and some minor manual tweaking, but is otherwise quite functional and stable already, see its wiki page[4] for further information. This will make people running the Hurd less dependent on specific hardware, as a lot of newer computers do not work with the underlying GNU Mach kernel anymore. * Autobuilder availability and archive coverage improved The percentage of packages built for Debian GNU/Hurd has improved from 40% to now nearly 60%[5] since the last Bits from the porters. Further, the backlog of outdated packages has been greatly reduced. This is due to the addition of two[6][7] Xen autobuilders earlier this year, which made the hurd-i386 autobuilders far more robust and fault-tolerant as they not need local admin attention anymore in case of problems with the GNU/Hurd guests. The remaining 40% of packages are either waiting for other packages to become available (see [8] for a (big) graph of those relationships) or are failing for some reason[9]; a complete list of build failures can be found at [10]. * Developer machine We are currently working on getting a general DD-accessible porter box setup. In the meantime, interested people can contact hurd-shell-account(a)gnu.org to get an account on one of the publically accessible (Debian) GNU/Hurd developer machines. For further details, see [11]. * Summer of Code 2008 This year, the GNU Hurd participated as its own organization at Google's Summer of Code, thanks to the coordination done by Olaf Buddenhagen[12]. All of the 5 projects were carried out quite successfully. The most practically relevant project for Debian GNU/Hurd was the implementation of a procfs translator[13] by Madhusudan C.S., which provides a traditional Unix-style /proc file system and the subsequent porting of the procps package, so utilities like pgrep etc. will be available after lenny, and procps Build-Depends no longer need to be special-cased on hurd-i386. Other GSoC projects were lisp bindings by Flavio Cruz, better system debugging and tracing by Andrei Barbu, namespace-based translator selection by Sergiu Ivanov and network virtualization by Zheng Da. More information on the details and outcome of those projects can be found on the wiki[14]. * Still no debian-installer Unfortunately, the Debian GNU/Hurd port still lacks d-i support. On the other hand, debootstrap now mostly works, even to cross-debootstrap a hurd-i386 installation from GNU/Linux, if one works around bug #498731. A relatively easy solution could be to use the GNU/Linux d-i to cross-install and setup a Debian GNU/Hurd system. People who have experience in d-i and possibly Debian GNU/Hurd are more than welcome to contact us at debian-hurd(a)lists.debian.org. for the Debian GNU/Hurd porters, Michael Banck [1] http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2005/07/msg00006.html [2] http://kerneltrap.org/node/15770 [3] http://ftp.debian-ports.org/debian-cd/K16/debian-hurd-k16-qemu.img.tar.gz [4] http://www.bddebian.com/~wiki/microkernel/mach/gnumach/ports/xen/ [5] http://buildd.debian-ports.org/stats/ [6] http://buildd.net/cgi/hostpackages.cgi?unstable_arch=hurd-i386&searchtype=b… [7] http://buildd.net/cgi/hostpackages.cgi?unstable_arch=hurd-i386&searchtype=m… [8] http://dept-info.labri.fr/~thibault/tmp/graph-radial.pdf [9] http://www.bddebian.com/~wiki/unsorted/PortingIssues/ [10] http://unstable.buildd.net/buildd/hurd-i386_Failed.html [11] http://www.bddebian.com/~wiki/public_hurd_boxen/ [12] http://code.google.com/soc/2008/hurd/about.html [13] http://packages.qa.debian.org/h/hurd/news/20080903T160206Z.html [14] http://www.bddebian.com/~wiki/community/gsoc/ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFIzjPUmHaJYZ7RAb8RAkmCAKCxBLS844Q8WvyXENlNFnVuZhOExACfXO4z BrH1xPVGGY57jXEMfWXn8Sg= =2F16 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- പ്രവീണ്‍ അരിമ്പ്രത്തൊടിയില്‍ <GPLv2> I know my rights; I want my phone call! <DRM> What use is a phone call, if you are unable to speak? (as seen on /.) Join The DRM Elimination Crew Now! http://fci.wikia.com/wiki/Anti-DRM-Campaign

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Festival for Free and Open Source Software
by Omshivaprakash H L 17 Sep '08

17 Sep '08

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Gnu/Linux Habba @ Mysore - Register today
by Omshivaprakash H L 17 Sep '08

17 Sep '08

GNU/Linux has long been branded as an operating system used by geeks. The freedom the free software comes with is also arguably more apparent to geeky users than the normal computer users. But on Sunday, 21st September, 2008, geeks, non-geeks, users and fans of GNU/Linux are getting together at the auditorium of Physics Department, Mysore University to share with you information on this wonderful world of Free Software (Free as in Freedom) and GNU/Linux. They will explain you what the freedom in software is about and will introduce you to GNU/Linux. We invite computer users to take part in the festivities celebrating GNU/Linux and free software (free as in freedom) where volunteers would not only show you the applications you could use to do your day to day computing on GNU/Linux, but also help you install GNU/Linux on your laptop if you bring one. Free software is not essentially free as in "Free Beer", but gives you the freedom to change the software that you received or paid for. If you are frustrated with Viruses on your computer running a proprietary software, here's your chance to break free from it. GNU/Linux Habba was started in Bangalore with its first edition in April this year by volunteers of Sampada Community (http://sampada.net) to not only spread the word about free software, but also to introduce GNU/Linux to the non-technical computer users. The first edition organized at Indian Institute of Science, Bangalore received tremendous response with more than 377 registrations running up to the event. Many participants installed GNU/Linux on their Desktops/Laptops and learnt how to use Kannada on it. From NGOs to Public sector officials keen to learn more about GNU/Linux - many people participated in the event. Following the success of the first edition, the group of volunteers behind the event decided to extend the festival to other cities in Karnataka, starting with Mysore. The second edition of GNU/Linux Habba (http://habba.in) will be on 21st September, 2008 at Physics Department, University of Mysore. *GNU/Linux* - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU/Linux *Free Software* - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_software *GNU/Linux Habba* – http://habba.in *Sampada Community* – http://sampada.net -- -- "A well-directed imagination is the source of great deeds" -- With Best Regards, Omshivaprakash.H.L | ಓಂ ಶಿವಪ್ರಕಾಶ್ ಎಚ್. ಎಲ್ | ॐ शिवप्रकाश् एच्. एल् Website : http://www.techfiz.info Blog : http://platonic.techfiz.info Phone: 91- 9902026518 AIM : fizworks ICQ : 265216744 IRC : #techfiz server: irc.freenode.net channel: #linux-india #ubuntu-in #gnu-india #kannada

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Fwd: [Ilugc] Linux Fest @Mysore on 21st september ( http://habba.in/ )
by Praveen A 17 Sep '08

17 Sep '08

---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: narendra babu <cnarendra_babu(a)yahoo.com> Date: 2008/9/16 Subject: [Ilugc] Linux Fest @Mysore on 21st september ( http://habba.in/ ) To: ilugc(a)ae.iitm.ac.in Hi All, People who are interested in localization of Languages in Linux ( Kannada ) Linux fest in Mysore on 21st September, 2008: http://habba.in/ Please do come and spread the word across. for more information about the fest check out the url http://habba.in/ Venue: Sunday, 21st September, 2008 Department of Physics, University of Mysore. Gangothri, Mysore karnataka. Thanks and regards Narendra babu C _______________________________________________ To unsubscribe, email ilugc-request(a)ae.iitm.ac.in with "unsubscribe <password> <address>" in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc -- പ്രവീണ്‍ അരിമ്പ്രത്തൊടിയില്‍ <GPLv2> I know my rights; I want my phone call! <DRM> What use is a phone call, if you are unable to speak? (as seen on /.) Join The DRM Elimination Crew Now! http://fci.wikia.com/wiki/Anti-DRM-Campaign

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Gnu/Linux Habba Mysore : Registrations are now open
by Omshivaprakash H L 16 Sep '08

16 Sep '08

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SFD at Christ University
by Vikram Vincent 15 Sep '08

15 Sep '08

Hi, The Dept. of Comp. Science at Christ University is observing Software Freedom day on the 20th of September with the following events: 1. Install fest for those interested in all the Depts. of the University. 2. Creation of 3 minute videos on socially relevant issues and the best of which will be used in various global campaigns. 3. There will also be class-to-class campaigns as well which will be lead by the students of Computer Science. Plus, MC Vineeth Vincent will be the event MC. "All the fat children and one malnourished child" and other music teams will be entertaining the participants of SFD. We welcome students from other colleges and activists of the Free Software Movement to be a part of our celebrations and perhaps make this a joint event too. Perhaps if anyone can create and distribute laptop stickers, banners, etc.. on "Free Software, Free Society" or "SFD" or anything relevant that will be really cool. -- Vikram Vincent +919448810822 http://swatantra.org/

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Software Freedom Day at BMSCE
by Madhusudan C.S 15 Sep '08

15 Sep '08

Hi all, Last year unfortunately we did not celebrate SFD at BMSCE even though SFD - 2006 was a very big success. We still regret for that. So this year we need to make it bigger than SFD - 2006. Since this is also 25th year of GNU which I would like to call as "25th year of Software Freedom", this years' SFD should be something really special. Also we came to know that the SUN Club that exists in BMSCE, which is also pretty active, along with SUN was planning for an SFD at BMSCE (Seems like BMSCE is the hot spot ;-) ). They also approached us asking if we can do it together. Few of us, the BMSLUG members went to SUN office to talk to SUN people about this. SUN people want to collaborate with the Free and Open Source Community in general not just SUN clubs or groups. Also at the moment doing 2 SFDs at BMSCE is not a very good idea, because of the difficulty to get the permission and others. In addition since collaboration is the need of the hour for both groups to survive at BMSCE after we leave, since this is our last year at BMSCE, I think we must do it together to make the FOSS community at BMSCE bigger and the biggest possible in Bangalore at least. So I think its a good idea to collaborate with SUN club at BMSCE and SUN itself. Also I think SUN is willing to sponsor, so we can make use of the resources. I kindly request all of you to give your valuable suggestions on this. As far as dates are concerned, since we have internals from 18th - 20th of September, doing SFD on 20th September, the actual day on which it is celebrated world wide is nearly impossible. Also FSUG-Bangalore is celebrating this as a week long fest. So we are planning to do this on some other day than 20th September. Seems like September 25th works for both BMSLUG and SUN Club. So I think we must go with that date. What do you all think? -- Thanks and regards, Madhusudan.C.S Blogs at: www.madhusudancs.info Official Email ID: madhusudan(a)madhusudancs.info

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SFD in Bangalore
by Vid_A 13 Sep '08

13 Sep '08

Hi Last year FSUG had a SFD in Bangalore (according to [1], [2]). Are there any plans for this year ? [1] http://softwarefreedomday.org/teams/asiaandmiddleeast/india/bangalore [2] http://fci.wikia.com/wiki/SFD/Bangalore/07 Ambati Sreedhar had mentioned (on my blog) that Bojug (Bangalore java group) Sun and Thoughtworks would be willing to help. So would FSUG members like to collaborate with Bojug (Bangalore java group) Sun and Thoughtworks on this ? thanks, Vid || http://www.svaksha.com ||

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meeting with chief minister and other ministers regarding Unicode and ascii issues wrt kannada
by renuka prasad 12 Sep '08

12 Sep '08

HI all There will be a meeting arranged with the Chief Minister of Karnataka, Sri Yediyurappa soon regarding problems with the unicode and ascii issues kannada by some Scholars, Professors, Students and also from various walks of life. Is there any one who can accompany on behalf of fsug-bangalore for this meeting , if so please reply to this mail, we can also give a representation on behalf of fsug-bangalore and as well we can request for inclusion of free softwares in the syllabus at schools , colleges and universities and also request for implementing open standards for office documents This meeting is going to be arranged in the interest of all software users as government of karnataka is going to implement e-governence for most of its processing. Date and timing of the meeting is not yet know --- as of now how many representations will come from different walks of life is the discussion going on ....

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