some one from us only will have to handle this subject in another 10 months from now
http://vtu.ac.in/basic/MCA28.pdf -- page 23 http://vtu.ac.in/basic/CSEScSy140808.pdf -- page 2 elective 3
apart from these
I semester all branches will use : Solid Edge ( i tried an alternate version for this for few days -- no alternate found as i have no idea of drawings ) throughout the university students will be running around to take printouts of the drawings made using this software --- this is where we have to start ----------where fresh set of students will have be made aware
I semesters : electronics , Telecom , IT : uses proprietary 8086 / 8085 Simulators
Few other Proprietary Softwares that are used in many colleges : Mechanical Engineering : AUTOCAD / CAM / CAE , FEA analysis tools ( no alternate found ) Electronics Brach : VHDL, ModelSim -- for these we have alternatives IEM Branch : Systat , Statfit ( R is the alternative ) SCM Simulation tools , HR Tools Electrical : Pspice ( gspice ) Circuit simulators : basic to advaced EDA tools like Xilinx Architechtural : Arch CAD ( may be QCAD ) -- may be XFIG Civil Engg : CIVIL CAD ( may be XFIG ) Telecom : NO information ---------------------- Full of proprietary tools Instrumentation Tech : Comepletely proprietary simulators ISE : Network simulator ( NetSim - currently depends on each college ) MCA : Rational Rose ( BOUML/ORGOUML/UMRELLO) : TALLY ( Gnukatha - getting released today or tomorow)
Inspite of demonstrating in my own department they are not replacing this until and unless a persmission is given from the VTU is what management says. ( What i felt is until and unless we do not demonstrate to the students and faculties and build confidence in them about free softwares , we cant do anything --- I dont deny that awareness is the first step for this --)
Along with Protests / lettters / representations ++++++ if practical issues are addressed and also building confidence amoung the people about free software who are affected by these proprietary technologies will be good, for this Students / Faculties /HOD /Princiapl/Management of different colleges are the key people.
Currently it is VTU's semester end ( except first sem ) -- seeing the mentality of students in bangalore and also the recent chcanges happening in the colleges ( getting autonomous ) they will be so busy ( number of subjects are increased , grading system is introduced , and faculties are working extra hours doing documentation work )
I am only worried how to make these people involve in raising voice against not only M$ any proprietary softwares that too when the maximum people are from not computer science related branches ( Computer sciece related bracnhes students contributes some what around 20 -25 percent for the whole set of students )
even the softwares that are purchased by other branches are much costlier than what computer science related branches purchase......
apart from curricullum the mangemnet in many college are spending atleast 10 lakhs ( one time -----+ maintenance charges )of rupees towards softwares that help in Student information management / library management / placement / accountancy ...etc etc ...
So where to start from and from whose support ----------- definitely it is a big problem that we are going to address , lets start and hope for the best
On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 6:26 PM, renuka prasad renukaprasadb@gmail.com wrote:
I semesters : electronics , Telecom , IT : uses proprietary 8086 / 8085 Simulators
If you can let us know what are the special features that are present in these systems that Free simulators[1] dont have we could implement them and make a release. If you can let us know in two days, we can try to get some work done at foss.in since we have a gnusim8085 workout planned on Wednesday.
[1] http://gnusim8085.sourceforge.net/ [2] http://www.tuxmaniac.com/blog/2008/11/21/fossin-call-for-participation-in-un...
Thanks and looking forward to the points.
Regards, Aanjhan PS: CC'ing the gnusim8085 devel list.
On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 7:08 PM, Aanjhan R aanjhan@gmail.com wrote:
If you can let us know what are the special features that are present in these systems that Free simulators[1] dont have we could implement them and make a release. If you can let us know in two days, we can
i will contact the faculties who are in charge of the labs associated with those and let you know
thanks
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So where to start from and from whose support ----------- definitely it is a big problem that we are going to address , lets start and hope for the best
I think we can have another discussion in fsug...on this..and come out with a more long term plan... As vikram suggested...after the awareness campaign..
On Tue, Nov 25, 2008 at 10:18 AM, Senthil Sundaram (sensunda) < sensunda@cisco.com> wrote:
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So where to start from and from whose support ----------- definitely it is a big problem that we are going to address , lets start and hope for the best
I think we can have another discussion in fsug...on this..and come out with a more long term plan...
thats fine, how will that affect awareness campaign,
As vikram suggested...after the awareness campaign..
Infact what the information given is more appropriate and useful as we are addressing the Vendor Lock ( as mentioned by Mr Vikram ) It would be better to address all the proprietary issues is what i felt ---
( for an instance in my own college we have microsoft products campus licenses worth 6 lakhs and other softwares are contributing to 23 lakhs )
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As vikram suggested...after the awareness campaign..
Infact what the information given is more appropriate and useful as we are addressing the Vendor Lock ( as mentioned by Mr Vikram ) It would be better to address all the proprietary issues is what i felt --- ( for an instance in my own college we have microsoft products campus licenses worth 6 lakhs and other softwares are contributing to 23 lakhs )
i think only a community based intitative..to demonstrate..alternatives...and a grassroot campaign..talking to all hod and facutly..might help...however i dont know easily they will accept...alternatives....this is a question of WILL many times...and not just replacement availability...in kerala for example the WILL is stronger...for its own reasons...otherwise campaign will be a starting point - and will bring out all these questions.... however if we go a grassroot campaign - syllabus based workshops - there will be some change and willingness to look at - this should be long term
On Tue, Nov 25, 2008 at 11:11 AM, Senthil Sundaram (sensunda) < sensunda@cisco.com> wrote:
however if we go a grassroot campaign - syllabus based workshops - there
will be some change and willingness to look at - this should be long term
That is the reason, information was given to keep in mind all these things
while giving a representation, As we have to address diversified areas . the information given was more appropriate and even the reply from anjhan also addressed the same issue.
I am only reminding those issues that were addressed in previous FLOSS campaign where the link was provided by the wiki page ............ please read the last few paragraphs of the letter sent to VTU last time in this link which was listed in Wiki http://bangalore.gnu.org.in/index.php/Campaigns:VTU-FLOSSCampaign
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On Tue, Nov 25, 2008 at 11:11 AM, Senthil Sundaram (sensunda) sensunda@cisco.com wrote:
however if we go a grassroot campaign - syllabus based workshops - there will be some change and willingness to look at - this should be long term
That is the reason, information was given to keep in mind all these things while giving a representation, As we have to address diversified areas . the information given was more appropriate and even the reply from anjhan also addressed the same issue.
I am only reminding those issues that were addressed in previous FLOSS campaign where the link was provided by the wiki page ............ please read the last few paragraphs of the letter sent to VTU last time in this link which was listed in Wiki http://bangalore.gnu.org.in/index.php/Campaigns:VTU-FLOSSCampaign thanks renuka..request vikram..to collate...from the previous letter as well....and add a note..if u feel we can meet and sit down together as well..
On Tue, Nov 25, 2008 at 11:34 AM, Senthil Sundaram (sensunda) < sensunda@cisco.com> wrote:
thanks renuka..request vikram..to collate...from the previous letter as well....and add a note..if u feel we can meet and sit down together as well..
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On Tue, Nov 25, 2008 at 11:11 AM, Senthil Sundaram (sensunda) < sensunda@cisco.com> wrote:
however if we go a grassroot campaign - syllabus based workshops - there
will be some change and willingness to look at - this should be long term
We will also have to prepare a team who can take up the issue of training teachers on alternate technology. See NRCFOSS. They were able to make some inroads into the syllabus since they could organise training sessions consistently over a period of more than a year. We can discuss this possibility with the VC once we have done sufficient campaigning work on the ground level, built some critical mass of teachers and students who are pro-free knowledge and then proceed further.
adding one more information
http://www.vtu.ac.in/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=22&am...
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On Tue, Nov 25, 2008 at 10:03 PM, renuka prasad renukaprasadb@gmail.comwrote:
adding one more information
http://www.vtu.ac.in/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=22&am...
http://elearning.vtu.ac.in/VTU-SUN.html
http://elearning.vtu.ac.in/cxospeaks.htm
http://elearning.vtu.ac.in/Techcourses.html
http://elearning.vtu.ac.in/downloads/sy_VHDL.pdf
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From: fsug-bangalore-bounces@mm.gnu.org.in [mailto:fsug-bangalore-bounces@mm.gnu.org.in] On Behalf Of renuka prasad Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2008 10:04 PM To: Free Software Users Group - Bangalore Subject: Re: [FSUG-Bangalore] How to modify these kind of things? in VTU ,not just M$
adding one more information
http://www.vtu.ac.in/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=22&am... =104&limit=1&limitstart=0
we should get the exact details of the current mou - in the dreamspark programme - so that we figure out - the extent of lock-in
On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 2:20 PM, Senthil Sundaram (sensunda) < sensunda@cisco.com> wrote:
adding one more information
http://www.vtu.ac.in/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=22&am...
we should get the exact details of the current mou - in the dreamspark programme - so that we figure out - the extent of lock-in
yes --true , they haven't released ... infact we can demand them to
release --Right for Information
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