Hi,
These are my views..i have very high respect for some people in certain ngos . I am also not doing this naive discount of ngos..not for profit companies.. I am saying this after understanding the significant contributions and struggles different ngos / not for profit companies / political parties have made to struggle in free software..and other political and social struggles...
However its very clear to me that the free software movement is not a single 'foundation' or 'ngo' or 'non profit company' or a single 'party' - but all of them can be part of the movement
many times - they democratically elect their leaders rather than by nomination : Gandhi was not nominated into leadership of the freedom movement nor was Medha Patkar ...
I remeber what the rural journalist P Sainath said .. "Freedom Struggle in India didnt happen because of NGOs"
Details below.
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Freedom Struggle of India - Is a mass movement : it had everybody in the country in it...from slum dwellers, village folks, artists, intellectuals, teachers , students..the Dalit movement in India in the last decade - is a mass movement..The Narmada Bachao Andolan - is a mass movement ..
- Mass movements have a sort of democratic structure, large number of people from different walks of life participate - and ellivate their consciousness - it represents some sort of churing of the society - and cannot be appropriated by one party, one company , one organisation , one ngo .....
A single non-profit company or NGO or political party is definitely not a mass movement.....though they contribute to it..
http://www.orissadiary.com/inerview/Sainath.asp
OD : As a rural journalist what are your views on N.G.Os and development?
P. Sainath : You can not find a single body called NGO, because there are many. The word NGO does not represent any single organization or entity; its amourphous. There are many good NGOs who are highly responsible for their people and there are some NGOs who are lagging on this regard.
OD : But on an average what is your view about them?
P. Sainath : On average I will say that many of them are not working sincerely. There are bad people in good NGOs and good people in Bad NGOs and bad people in bad NGOs too. But some of them are working in important areas and fields and potential is there to work. But I would like to see that if the NGOs, in stead of working on behalf of people, promote the spirit of self dependence among people, then its more an effective way.
On Sun, Nov 23, 2008 at 10:46 AM, Senthil Sundaram (sensunda) < sensunda@cisco.com> wrote:
Hi, am saying this after understanding the significant contributions and struggles different ngos / not for profit companies / political parties have made to struggle in free software..and other political and social struggles...
However its very clear to me that the free software movement is not a single 'foundation' or 'ngo' or 'non profit company' or a single 'party' - but all of them can be part of the movement
+ Free Software movement or Free Software upholds the ideologies of Free Society , Any body supporting free software Movement are concerned about the society
Freedom Struggle of India - Is a mass movement : it had everybody in the country in it...from slum dwellers, village folks, artists, intellectuals, teachers , students..the Dalit movement in India in the last decade - is a mass movement..The Narmada Bachao Andolan - is a mass movement ..
+ Every Human Action reveals Freedom ------Swami Vivekanada
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However its very clear to me that the free software movement is not a single 'foundation' or 'ngo' or 'non profit company' or a single 'party' - but all of them can be part of the movement
Yes, movement consists or individuals and several different kinds of organisations. It is required because diversity of people.
many times - they democratically elect their leaders rather than by nomination : Gandhi was not nominated into leadership of the freedom movement nor was Medha Patkar ...
I dont know is 'elect' is a correct statement for above mentioned cases. They took up issues of people and gave them (people) leadership. Same is the case with RMS and other in free software movement.
I agree with all the points you have raised.
2008/11/23 Arun M arun@gnu.org.in
I dont know is 'elect' is a correct statement for above mentioned cases. They took up issues of people and gave them (people) leadership. Same is the case with RMS and other in free software movement.
But if an organisation has to be representative then it must be democratic. See FSF-LA, Debian, and other democratic bodies.
Which comes to my previously asked but still unanswered question: Is FSF-I democratic?
But if an organisation has to be representative then it must be democratic. See FSF-LA, Debian, and other democratic bodies.
Which comes to my previously asked but still unanswered question: Is FSF-I democratic?
Yes it is.
FSF, FSF India, FSF LA and FSF Europe follow similar system.
2008/11/23 Arun M arun@gnu.org.in
But if an organisation has to be representative then it must be
democratic.
See FSF-LA, Debian, and other democratic bodies.
Which comes to my previously asked but still unanswered question: Is
FSF-I
democratic?
Yes it is.
FSF, FSF India, FSF LA and FSF Europe follow similar system.
When was the last time that FSF-I had an election to the committee? When does it plan to have the next elections? Which system does FSF-I follow? As you mentioned there are differences. I am still patiently awaiting replies for my previously asked questions too.