FSUG-Bangalore November 2008

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Somebody vandalised the FSF-friends and FSUG Bangalore mailing lists
by Vikram Vincent 29 Nov '08

29 Nov '08

The mails I had posted in response to the statement by the FSF-I Board on the FSF-friends and FSUG-Bangalore mailing lists have been vandalised. See http://mm.gnu.org.in/pipermail/fsug-bangalore/2008-November/002447.html http://mm.gnu.org.in/pipermail/fsf-friends/2008-November/005788.html I am CC'ing all the currently listed list admins and RMS. To whoever did this: You cannot silence our voices by simply deleting mail content. I am resending my response. Greetings, >From http://www.gnu.org.in/board-statement-on-recent-issues <quote> * * *9. Are the members of the Director Board of FSF India elected? * <snip> As mentioned in the answer to an earlier question, FSF India is not a mass movement and is not a democratic organisation. The purpose of FSF India, as of FSF, is to provide guidance to the Free Software movement. This purpose could be easily defeated if it is made into an elected body. </quote> India is considered one of the biggest democracies in the world and the Free Software Movement is for the democratisation of technology and knowledge. However, the namesake of FSF in India ie., FSF-India, whose role is to lead the Free Software Movement has clearly defined itself as undemocratic. Let us take things objectively to analyse, debate and come to some sort of an understanding. Democracy, transparency and openness are considered the pillars of the free software movement. We talk about free(or open) standards, free knowledge, etc.. and then we hear "Democracy? That is only for theory." How can one ensure democratisation of knowledge if one is undemocratic? The Board of FSF-I may have to (re)read the works of Eben Moglen and actually implement it in their functioning. I think the following quote of Eben Moglen is important in this context. From http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Transcript_of_The_System_Of_Ownership_Of_Ideas "Haven't you heard," we say, "The era of presidents for life is over. We are holding elections, here. Here, we made this, its called democracy. Would you like some? Take it, its free." In solidarity with the Free Software Movement, Vikram Vincent

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Re: [FSUG-Bangalore] [Fsf-friends] Statement of FSF India board on recent incidents
by Vikram Vincent 29 Nov '08

29 Nov '08

Greetings, >From http://www.gnu.org.in/board-statement-on-recent-issues <quote> * * *9. Are the members of the Director Board of FSF India elected? * <snip> As mentioned in the answer to an earlier question, FSF India is not a mass movement and is not a democratic organisation. The purpose of FSF India, as of FSF, is to provide guidance to the Free Software movement. This purpose could be easily defeated if it is made into an elected body. </quote> India is considered one of the biggest democracies in the world and the Free Software Movement is for the democratisation of technology and knowledge. However, the namesake of FSF in India ie., FSF-India, whose role is to lead the Free Software Movement has clearly defined itself as undemocratic. Let us take things objectively to analyse, debate and come to some sort of an understanding. Democracy, transparency and openness are considered the pillars of the free software movement. We talk about free(or open) standards, free knowledge, etc.. and then we hear "Democracy? That is only for theory." How can one ensure democratisation of knowledge if one is undemocratic? The Board of FSF-I may have to (re)read the works of Eben Moglen and actually implement it in their functioning. I think the following quote of Eben Moglen is important in this context. From http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Transcript_of_The_System_Of_Ownership_Of_Ideas "Haven't you heard," we say, "The era of presidents for life is over. We are holding elections, here. Here, we made this, its called democracy. Would you like some? Take it, its free." In solidarity with the Free Software Movement, Vikram Vincent

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Fwd: [Fsf-friends] Statement of FSF India board on recent incidents
by Anivar Aravind 29 Nov '08

29 Nov '08

---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Arun M <arun(a)gnu.org.in> Date: Sat, Nov 29, 2008 at 8:09 AM Subject: [Fsf-friends] Statement of FSF India board on recent incidents To: fsf-friends <fsf-friends(a)mm.gnu.org.in> Dear Friends Please find FSF India's statement on recent developments. http://www.gnu.org.in/board-statement-on-recent-issues I hope this addresses some, if not all, the questions. More documents will be published in the coming days. regards arun _______________________________________________ Fsf-friends mailing list Fsf-friends(a)mm.gnu.org.in http://mm.gnu.org.in/mailman/listinfo/fsf-friends -- Any responsible politician should be encouraging a home grown Free Software industry because it creates the basis for future jobs. Learning Windows is like learning to eat every meal at McDonalds.

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Defending the threat to the public-ness and the egalitarian nature of the Internet
by vinay sreenivasa 29 Nov '08

29 Nov '08

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FW: Defending the threat to the public-ness and the egalitarian nature of the Internet
by Senthil Sundaram (sensunda) 29 Nov '08

29 Nov '08

Dr Anja having some difficulty..posting for her. Thanks senthil -----Original Message----- From: Anja Kovacs [mailto:anja@itforchange.net] Sent: Friday, November 28, 2008 5:04 PM To: Senthil Sundaram (sensunda) Cc: Free Software Users Group - Bangalore; Vikram Vincent Subject: Re: [FSUG-Bangalore] Defending the threat to the public-ness and the egalitarian nature of the Internet Hi Senthil and all, The IGF is from 3 to 6 December in Hyderabad. It is a meeting under the UN, attended by national governments, organisations like ICANN, civil society, and a lot of business. It is a policy dialogue forum relating to Internet governance issues. It would be great if there is a considerable civil society presence from India, to counter the push of big business that is tremendously well organised and makes it seem as if there is overall consensus on the ideas it is putting forward, and trying to turn into policy worldwide. Only civil society can make clear that such agreement does not exist... For more information, check http://www.intgovforum.org and http://igf2008.in. Do let us know if you have any more questions or comments. All the best, Anja

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Help with configuring reliance data card on hardy
by vinay sreenivasa 28 Nov '08

28 Nov '08

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Re: [FSUG-Bangalore] FSUG-Bangalore Digest, Vol 31, Issue 81
by Hemanth H.M 28 Nov '08

28 Nov '08

*The NCTUns website clearly says this :* The Linux distribution that works with the latest NCTUns 4.0 and has been fully tested is Red Hat's Fedora 8.* Other Linux distributions such as Debian may work with NCTUns because they use the same Linux kernel as Fedora. However, configurations and settings on these distributions may be different from those on Fedora*. *It is the user's responsibility to adjust configurations* and settings if he (she) would like to install the latest NCTUns 4.0 on a different Linux distribution than Fedora 8. Because NSL has not tested the latest NCTUns 4.0 on other Linux distributions, it is not guaranteed that the latest NCTUns 4.0 can work correctly on Linux distributions other than Fedora 8. Starting from NCTUns 2.0, the FreeBSD operating system is no longer supported. As said above : "Other Linux distributions such as Debian may work with NCTUns because they use the same Linux kernel as Fedora" So how do i install this ... i tried once and failed to do so ...i think a packing is required for this Link to download the source : http://nsl10.csie.nctu.edu.tw/products/nctuns/download/download.php On Fri, Nov 28, 2008 at 11:43 AM, <fsug-bangalore-request(a)mm.gnu.org.in>wrote: > Send FSUG-Bangalore mailing list submissions to > fsug-bangalore(a)mm.gnu.org.in > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://mm.gnu.org.in/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fsug-bangalore > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > fsug-bangalore-request(a)mm.gnu.org.in > > You can reach the person managing the list at > fsug-bangalore-owner(a)mm.gnu.org.in > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of FSUG-Bangalore digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Sorry about .... (Hemanth H.M) > 2. Re: Sorry about .... (Parthan SR) > 3. Re: Sorry about .... (Praveen A) > 4. Announcing Hackerdom: A Celeberation of FOSS Culture > (Domain Admin) > 5. Help with configuring reliance data card on hardy > (vinay sreenivasa) > 6. Re: Help with configuring reliance data card on hardy > (Rakesh 'arky' Ambati) > 7. Re: Help with configuring reliance data card on hardy > (Anivar Aravind) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2008 18:03:21 +0530 > From: "Hemanth H.M" <hemanth.hm(a)gmail.com> > Subject: [FSUG-Bangalore] Sorry about .... > To: fsug-bangalore(a)mm.gnu.org.in > Message-ID: > <f295130811270433w769ca522i14d1788fb31eda3f(a)mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > I was in full josh mode , and instead of posting , i replied soory about it > :( , here is my post > > * Why my VTU friends didn't switch to UBUNTU *?? > > I installed Ubuntu to most of my classmates , with in no time 90% of them > formated there HDD when asked why ?? They give many reasons the most common > : > > 1. There is no NCTUns (which runs well one Fedora!!). > 2. I'm not able to configure and setup things for LAB , like > apache,tomcat,java ..etc > 3. I and my mom are used to Windows. > > So , i made this blog with few solutions , i am also trying on MOTU for > NCTUns > > the blog link : VTU_HELP <http://ubunt2.blogspot.com/> > > -- > The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so > certain of themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts. > Bertrand Russell > > I ask you only two questions : > > 1. Did u find joy in ur life? > 2.How many found joy from ur life ?? > > -Hemanth HM >

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Announcing Hackerdom: A Celeberation of FOSS Culture
by Domain Admin 28 Nov '08

28 Nov '08

[With the usual apology for X-Posting] Please circulate widely *Insignia 3.0 :Hackerdom* A celebration of FOSS culture The Dept.of Computer Science,Government Engineering College, Thrissur and Free Software Users Group of Thrissur, are delighted to announce the Annual National Event on Free Software Philosophy, Practice & Development scheduled for the 9th, 10th and 11th of January, 2009. The event is named as Insignia 3.0 - *Hackerdom* , as a way of continuing from the roots from annual Free Software event in GEC called as Insignia This Event is an effort to bring the Users and Developers together in same platform and make them familiarize with Hacker Culture", the way in which free software Community works Hackerdom points to spread the message of Hacking as a positive way to improve your system, whether it is Technical, cultural or social. Hackerdom provides a venue for practicing user to producer transformation rooted in the fundamentals of Free Software. Hackerdom will also feature sessions Our Focus lies here: Users + Hackers = Community; Come as a User, Return as a Hacker ! We call upon all the Hackers and Users of the world to join in and contribute to the event at http://hackerdom.in. Cheers, Hacker from Hackerdom.in

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Sorry about ....
by Hemanth H.M 28 Nov '08

28 Nov '08

I was in full josh mode , and instead of posting , i replied soory about it :( , here is my post * Why my VTU friends didn't switch to UBUNTU *?? I installed Ubuntu to most of my classmates , with in no time 90% of them formated there HDD when asked why ?? They give many reasons the most common : 1. There is no NCTUns (which runs well one Fedora!!). 2. I'm not able to configure and setup things for LAB , like apache,tomcat,java ..etc 3. I and my mom are used to Windows. So , i made this blog with few solutions , i am also trying on MOTU for NCTUns the blog link : VTU_HELP <http://ubunt2.blogspot.com/> -- The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts. Bertrand Russell I ask you only two questions : 1. Did u find joy in ur life? 2.How many found joy from ur life ?? -Hemanth HM

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Re: [FSUG-Bangalore] FSUG-Bangalore Digest, Vol 31, Issue 79
by Hemanth H.M 27 Nov '08

27 Nov '08

* Why my VTU friends didn't switch to UBUNTU *?? I installed Ubuntu to most of my classmates , with in no time 90% of them formated there HDD when asked why ?? They give many reasons the most common : 1. There is no NCTUns (which runs well one Fedora!!). 2. I'm not able to configure and setup things for LAB , like apache,tomcat,java ..etc 3. I and my mom are used to Windows. So , i made this blog with few solutions , i am also trying on MOTU for NCTUns the blog link : VTU_HELP <http://ubunt2.blogspot.com/> On Thu, Nov 27, 2008 at 12:00 PM, <fsug-bangalore-request(a)mm.gnu.org.in>wrote: > Send FSUG-Bangalore mailing list submissions to > fsug-bangalore(a)mm.gnu.org.in > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://mm.gnu.org.in/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fsug-bangalore > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > fsug-bangalore-request(a)mm.gnu.org.in > > You can reach the person managing the list at > fsug-bangalore-owner(a)mm.gnu.org.in > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of FSUG-Bangalore digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: my mail id (naveen mudunuru) > 2. Re: my mail id ( Rakesh ?????? ) > 3. Re: my mail id (renuka prasad) > 4. Re: my mail id ( Rakesh ?????? ) > 5. Re: my mail id (Anivar Aravind) > 6. Re: my mail id (renuka prasad) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2008 06:36:14 +0530 > From: "naveen mudunuru" <naveenmudunuru(a)gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [FSUG-Bangalore] my mail id > To: "Free Software Users Group - Bangalore" > <fsug-bangalore(a)mm.gnu.org.in> > Message-ID: > <218b833f0811261706o5016d6f5k2a1062c27f82c238(a)mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Dear Prabodh, > > First to start with, i would suggest you gather some students and conduct > sessions to make them understand "what is free software". let them organise > into free software advocates in the college and then you can plan various > activities. the students themselves can arrange topics of interest. there > are lot of people in this group who can help u in handling these sessions. > > -- > regards > naveen > Be Free, Speak Free, Work Free. > Advocate "FREE SOFTWARE", > FREE as in FREE SPEECH, not as in FREE BEER >

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