FSUG-Bangalore November 2008

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Re: [FSUG-Bangalore] [Fsf-friends] a clarification needed
by Vikram Vincent 25 Nov '08

25 Nov '08

2008/11/18 Arun M <arun(a)gnu.org.in> > <snip>FSF India was not part of the conference though some board members > participated > in the event. Our participation is no way an endorsement to the conference. > FSF India do have its own stand on the conference. Please note that > this has nothing > to do with what happened. > Why is it that FSF-I has no public opinion about anything important? Chennai, Kochi, Bangalore... We want to know the reason for FSF-I not being a part of the conference. >From the Vision of FSF-I http://www.gnu.org.in/why-we-exist the only work of FSF-I is to be a not-for-profit company with certain goals which are not mass movement oriented. This is not useful to the Free Software Movement which is a mass movement. Is FSF-I democratic in its constitution? Meaning, are the members elected or do company policies apply? If FSF-I continues in this manner then why do we need any FSF-I? We need an organisation which can guide this Movement and not simply to give verdict/blessings that "this/you is/are right", "that/you is/are wrong",... We want to know how FSF-I intends to proceed in the future. Does it plan to be a participant in the Movement? We want it to be democratic and representative of the Movement in all senses and not simply through talk. -- Vikram Vincent +919448810822 http://swatantra.org/

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Response from NRCFOSS regarding VTU-MS tie-up
by Parthan SR 25 Nov '08

25 Nov '08

Hi, I had contacted Mr.Srinivasan of NRCFOSS, detailing him about the VTU-MS tie-up and the plans from FSUG side. They very much understand the consequences and impact of this tie-up and hence have replied in a very positive note to help us with all our endeavors in this campaign. They themselves are looking for contacts in various colleges and universities in Karnataka, may be people like Renuka should get into touch with him/NRCFOSS. I am CCing this mail to Mr.Srinivasan as well. I have also attached a poster of the Seminar on Employment Opportunities in FOSS as suggested by Mr.Srinivasan. It'd be great if you can put it up in your college/office. He had also stated their wish to let VTU/Colleges know about the FOSS Certification Program offered by NRCFOSS. If someone in this last can let him know about people to contact in VTU that would be of some help. -- --- With Regards, Parthan "technofreak" <gpg> 2FF01026 <blog> http://blog.technofreak.in

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Free Software Alternatives - List
by Parthan SR 25 Nov '08

25 Nov '08

Hi, Following Renuka's mail regarding the Free Software alternatives for academic softwares, I thought of making a comprehensive list in the wiki. Please feel free to add things to relevant sections, here - http://bangalore.gnu.org.in/index.php/FSUG-Bangalore:Free_Software_Alternat… -- --- With Regards, Parthan "technofreak" <gpg> 2FF01026 <blog> http://blog.technofreak.in

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Alternative to dreamspark
by Senthil Sundaram (sensunda) 24 Nov '08

24 Nov '08

hi, sreejit gs, rasinesh , kk worked on this with the rest of the team..some more logos to come up..feel free to add..and comment on discussion page.. http://bangalore.gnu.org.in/index.php/An_alternative_software_list_to_Dr eamspark_Programme -s

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M$-VTU campaign page being vandalised
by Senthil Sundaram (sensunda) 24 Nov '08

24 Nov '08

Dear All, The M$ VTU campaign page has been again vandalided. Discussed this with Justin and Anivar. Anivar feels it could be M$ ;) We will try some protected editing. thanks senthil

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Draft letter to VTU VC - Say NO to vendor lock-in in education
by Vikram Vincent 23 Nov '08

23 Nov '08

http://bangalore.gnu.org.in/index.php/SayNOToVendorLockInInEducation -- Vikram Vincent +919448810822 http://swatantra.org/

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spreading GNU/Linux through Internet Cafes
by Shashi 23 Nov '08

23 Nov '08

Hi all, Yesterday a computer in an internet cafe I go to crashed due to constant irritating viral infection (They run Windows here). So they asked me for an XP CD. I suggested them to install Ubuntu and they let me do it on one of the systems, and now they want more! After looking at what all comes with it without paying anything (of course they were using windows illegally). They have 256 MiB ram but ubuntu is fast enough.... Now I'll be installing ubuntu on all other.. But my point of writing this mail is... How will the public who visit the cafe respond to it? But I think this is a nice way to tell people about GNU/Linux and give them their first experience, of course they'll feel this is good and try it at their place! maybe I'll ask the cafe owner to burn ubuntu for a disounted charge! They'll find it kinda wierd with the start button missing (I co\ustomised it to mimic windows tho) so i thought this can be used as a tool if we can make a beautiful documentation that shows what are analogous to windows, how to use them, where to get more help, let them know about fsm and stuff. So I initiated this git repo here to make HTML doc for the same, it is at http://github.com/ucafe.git you can pull/push from and to it with an ssh key. ''Is there anything that will let you set an HTML file as the desktop background in ubuntu?'' -- , , / \ ((__-^^-,-^^-__)) `_----' `-----_-' `--| o` 'o |--' \ ` / ): : ( :o_ _o: "---- " www.gnu.org www.uncorkers.org

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Re: [FSUG-Bangalore] FSUG-Bangalore Digest, Vol 31, Issue 63
by Hemanth H.M 23 Nov '08

23 Nov '08

A General Question ? It might be the , voice and video chat integrated in the inbox or it may be *Gtalk* , rather *Google Chrome* itself , ain't available for Linux Why most of the *Google Softwares are not available for Linux* ? What can we FSUG guys do about it , please give your thoughts . On Sun, Nov 23, 2008 at 12:00 PM, <fsug-bangalore-request(a)mm.gnu.org.in>wrote: > Send FSUG-Bangalore mailing list submissions to > fsug-bangalore(a)mm.gnu.org.in > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://mm.gnu.org.in/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fsug-bangalore > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > fsug-bangalore-request(a)mm.gnu.org.in > > You can reach the person managing the list at > fsug-bangalore-owner(a)mm.gnu.org.in > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of FSUG-Bangalore digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: M$-VTU campaign page being vandalised (Vikram Vincent) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 11:07:46 +0530 > From: "Vikram Vincent" <vincentvikram(a)gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [FSUG-Bangalore] M$-VTU campaign page being vandalised > To: "Free Software Users Group - Bangalore" > <fsug-bangalore(a)mm.gnu.org.in> > Message-ID: <135dba0811222137n303b416xf695b916e3d7dd5f(a)mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > 2008/11/23 Senthil Sundaram (sensunda) <sensunda(a)cisco.com> > > > Dear All, > > > > The M$ VTU campaign page has been again vandalided. Discussed this with > > Justin and Anivar. > > > > You know this is the first time that a campaign page on our wiki is being > vandalised. > > http://bangalore.gnu.org.in/index.php?title=Campaigns:VTU-MS_Curriculum_tie… > This has not happened even with the http://fci.wikia.com pages(AFAIK). > I request all to create accounts and add content using your ids. > I do not feel it necessary to protect the wiki page for now. >

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Mass movement - not for profit companies - ngos
by Senthil Sundaram (sensunda) 23 Nov '08

23 Nov '08

Hi, These are my views..i have very high respect for some people in certain ngos . I am also not doing this naive discount of ngos..not for profit companies.. I am saying this after understanding the significant contributions and struggles different ngos / not for profit companies / political parties have made to struggle in free software..and other political and social struggles... However its very clear to me that the free software movement is not a single 'foundation' or 'ngo' or 'non profit company' or a single 'party' - but all of them can be part of the movement many times - they democratically elect their leaders rather than by nomination : Gandhi was not nominated into leadership of the freedom movement nor was Medha Patkar ... I remeber what the rural journalist P Sainath said .. "Freedom Struggle in India didnt happen because of NGOs" Details below. -S Freedom Struggle of India - Is a mass movement : it had everybody in the country in it...from slum dwellers, village folks, artists, intellectuals, teachers , students..the Dalit movement in India in the last decade - is a mass movement..The Narmada Bachao Andolan - is a mass movement .. - Mass movements have a sort of democratic structure, large number of people from different walks of life participate - and ellivate their consciousness - it represents some sort of churing of the society - and cannot be appropriated by one party, one company , one organisation , one ngo ..... A single non-profit company or NGO or political party is definitely not a mass movement.....though they contribute to it.. http://www.orissadiary.com/inerview/Sainath.asp OD : As a rural journalist what are your views on N.G.Os and development? P. Sainath : You can not find a single body called NGO, because there are many. The word NGO does not represent any single organization or entity; its amourphous. There are many good NGOs who are highly responsible for their people and there are some NGOs who are lagging on this regard. OD : But on an average what is your view about them? P. Sainath : On average I will say that many of them are not working sincerely. There are bad people in good NGOs and good people in Bad NGOs and bad people in bad NGOs too. But some of them are working in important areas and fields and potential is there to work. But I would like to see that if the NGOs, in stead of working on behalf of people, promote the spirit of self dependence among people, then its more an effective way.

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GNU grazing on the 22nd November
by Vikram Vincent 23 Nov '08

23 Nov '08

In reference to http://www.hindu.com/2008/11/19/stories/2008111956231000.htm lets have a GNU grazing to discuss the course of action. Date: Saturday 22nd November, 2008 Time: 16:00hrs Venue: NGV grounds, Koramangala. We can update information on the http://bangalore.gnu.org.in wiki. Agenda: VTU, Microsoft tie-up to develop curriculum -- Our response to the tie-up -- Plans to protest? -- Alternate to such a tie-up Vikram Vincent

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